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Lenape

I'm reasonably sure of this edit I made, at History of New York City (prehistory-1664), but given your previous edit, I'd appreciate if you check it and tell me if I misunderstood. - Jmabel | Talk 17:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

This seems very good, though I had not noticed before there is no explanation of "Munsee" and, as used here, should be noted as the "Munsee dialect", as opposed to the Unami dialect also spoken by the Lenape. Nice work.--Shoreranger 00:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Fordham question?

Hi, no offense meant, but do you work for Fordham? It seems that most of your edits are Fordham-related. Thanks, --AW 11:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

None taken. I do not work for Fordham. Just seems to be a lot to do on that article before I want to move on to too much else. Limited time and energy and all that.... Shoreranger 20:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah OK, thanks --AW 15:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop tagging Fordham University on articles. For alumni, the appropriate category is "Fordham University alumni" and many of the pages you have edited already listed this so your edits on those pages were redundant and unnecessary. Gdo01 23:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know that you do good work on the Fordham page. I always watch the page (among others) and it's good to see that someone is maintaining it well. Scskowron 02:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Evacuation Day

Hi Shoreranger,
I am fairly new to Wikipedia, but am fairly knowledgeable about New York's history wherever it has something to do with this particular branch of the Riker family. I have made some changes to the Evacuation Day (New York) topic which I hope clarifies any problem you might have with John Van Arsdale's rank or age. The real myth regarding the raising of the flag over the battery (I have never come across the "Bowling Green" reference before but will asume that you have access to material which I do not - I believed at the time the pole was at the battery and that in 1883 that was the structure at that place), seems to be that it was raised by a boy. I strongly recommend that you read Clifton Hood's essay (which is easy to get online) and James Riker's work if you can find it (out of print, expensive to purchase and not online). Clifton Hood's social history essay is a great analysis of class relations in New York throughout the 19th century as well as being an excellent account of the events surrounding the Evacuation itself.
I'm not sure whether my changes are properly Wikified but I am sure that that will get sorted out in time
Regards
John Tierney 00:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

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Fordham article

Okay thanks for the message. I have posted my opinion on the Fordham talk article. Scskowron 19:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Good call. I would also consider Fordham to be the first Catholic college in the region, but I just included that word to be more specific. Scskowron 01:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Fordham Student Publications

Thanks for catching my error on the Fordham page. I didn't read the title - I thought the section was for all Fordham publications, not just student ones. Scskowron 22:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hessians

Hey there. I see you replaced the Hessian component in the belligerents section of the infobox on Battle of Harlem Heights. I think that while it is technically true that the Hessians were involved, there's not much reason to separate them out from the British. There were lots of militias involved on the American side, but for this battle, we can lump them all together into the Continental Army. Perhaps if we can figure out the numbers, we can put them in the strength section (see Battle of Long Island. However, to argue your side, if you look at Battle of Fort Washington, there is Hessians in the belligerents section. Perhaps we should bring something up on the project space to standardize this? What do you think? (I'm going to post this same speech on the article talk page) Tan | 39 01:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Alexander Hamilton/PMA

Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate them. Unfortunately, his tactics have worked. I am exhausted. I will not however, go away. I think you're right. I just wish he would stick to the facts and above all, just be civil. I tried to flood him with kindness at first, but that only seemed to make things worse somehow. I'm afraid I lost my cool over time, so I am going to spend some time regaining it. I wish he would set aside his POV, answer direct questions, spend a little more time on his own edits, and drastically less nit-picking those of others, etc. However, sadly, none of those things seem even remotely likely. Responding to things PMA accuses you of in his passive-aggressive way is an exponential time-wasting problem--every accusation I refute brings up three more, and on, and on, and on it goes. I don't have as much time as he does. I hope the article gets new blood. If you know anyone who might be willing to make it a project, please let them know. The article needs all the help, all the new editors it can get. Anyway, thanks again. AdRem (talk) 00:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for the Barnstar! I hadn't even noticed it! I hope you will still do some work on the article, it needs a lot of help. In any case, have a great weekend! AdRem (talk) 22:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

NYC meetup

If you're in the city, you may be interested in the NYC meetups. The next one will probably b a picnic in august. Watchlist that page for information. DGG (talk) 22:34, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the picnic

Unfortunately, we never had enough time to register for a permit. I am just hoping there is less than twenty people. Yes, I hate having to handle it like this. --harej 20:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

The King's College (New York)

I've commented at Template_talk:NYC_Colleges#King's restored, Cardozo deleted. --Aepoutre (talk) 01:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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American Revolution Lead

hiya Shoreranger,

Would it be possible to collaborate on rewriting the lead to the American Revolution article? I'm willing to help, but I'm not completely confident about simply doing it myself...

Ω (talk) 14:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

We should probably talk about this at Talk:American_Revolution#Lead Section Rewrite, please...

For starters, can we agree to fix the redundant sentences in the first paragraph? Ω (talk) 14:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

A Deletion Discussion of an Irish Catholic Category

is being discussed at [1]--Epeefleche (talk) 07:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Image Deletion by NFCC

I noticed how you recently got FordhamRams.png to comply with NFCC. The same editor who deleted that image also deleted HartfordHawks.png in the Hartford Hawks article. Would you be able to get HartfordHawks.png to comply with these regulations? I would try myself but I am clueless when it comes to images on wikipedia. Any help would be appreciated. The links to the revision when it was deleted and to the image itself are below.

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Thanks, Kithira (talk) 12:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Irish people

The Irish people article is being vandalized again. I'm still new to wiki editing and I don't know the proper way to revert pages to previous edits, but noticed that you made the last revert after vandalism. Just letting you know, if you want to revert it again. Thanks. 69.171.162.245 (talk) 21:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the vote of support. Yes, editors don't always need to agree, but as long as we agree that there are certain standards to civility and fair play, then Wikipedia is a nice place to live. Chime in on Irish American when you can. Your presence alone is good support. Eastcote (talk) 23:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Shoreranger, agree with the tags on Irish American. Thanks.Malke2010 15:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

New York Draft Riot and Irish Americans

Just to be clear, I stated my reasons on the talk page. Simply put, most of what has been added has little to do with the Irish. The part about Tammany is relevant, but the other part, with the number of Blacks killed, is not germane specifically to the Irish, since they were not the only participants in the riot. As currently written, it seems intended to portray the Irish as racists. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 19:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I understand your position. Nevertheless, you did not discuss the proposed change prior to editing, merely explained your position. No consensus was reached in advance. Shoreranger (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Granted. But, I would prefer that discussion continue before the information is readded. Either way, I am not going to revert again. I do hope that some discussion commences on the matter. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 23:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

American Revolution

I've been watching this page for a very long time and I like your edits. But a recent edit there by Rjensen seemed to change the meaning. [2] I almost reverted it, but since we are in mediation on Irish American I thought the better of it. But I wanted to say I think your edits on AR are good.Malke2010 22:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Catholics on the Frontier

Hello. I wish we were still able to edit in Irish American, but our hands are tied while the mediation goes on. Your comments on the religion of the Scotch-Irish got me to thinking about Catholicism and Anglicanism on the American Frontier. I found a couple of interesting articles.

• I C. Walker Gollar, "Frontiers of Faith: Bringing Catholicism to the West in the Early Republic (review)" The Catholic Historical Review - Volume 95, Number 3, July 2009, pp. 636-637. Relying on documents from Catholic priests and bishops, John Dichtl argues that in the backwoods of Pennsylvania and Maryland to the far edge of Indiana, and especially in Kentucky from the 1780s through the 1820s, Catholics initially lived in harmony with their non-Catholic neighbors.
• Thomas W. Spalding, "The Catholic Frontiers", U.S. Catholic Historian, Vol. 12, No. 4, Frontier Catholicism (Fall, 1994), pp. 1-15. The Maryland Anglo-Americans of the backwoods frontier, the French Canadians of the fur-trapping frontier, the Irish of the mining frontier, and the Germans of the Great Plains.

Hopefully when this mediation is done we can get on with more amicable debate. Those of us involved in this have all disagreed with one another sometime in the past, but never on the scale that we are encountering now with the many changes that have taken place in the article. Eastcote (talk) 19:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Irish American Mediation

Sorry for the delay. I have made the edit for the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-02-27/Irish American concensus, can I get a preposal for the other page, or is this good to close? -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 01:52, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

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Picture caption on Science page

Hey Shoreranger, I thought I would explain myself a little more fully here. First of all, I have reworded that "awful" figure caption. My initial intent was to back up the ideas mentioned in that section of the text; my point was that, even though scientists practice a sort of skepticism, this should not be taken to mean that scientists are not probably correct about a lot of things. For example, I had might as well have said "Though scientists who believe [that the sun revolves around the earth] admit they can never be certain, they are still very probably correct". I wonder, would you have objected to that?-Tesseract2 (talk) 03:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I think I would. My objection has nothing to do with the truth of the statement, only that a caption on an image is the wrong place to convey the idea which, if addressed at all, should be addressed in the body of the article and sourced with citations. Otherwise, it comes off as awkward agenda-pushing. Shoreranger (talk) 02:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

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Follow up: Sorry, I didn't mean to jump on you. I don't have any issues with the term secondary, except for the fact that it is not used in the sources provided. Also, the Generation Y article page uses the term high school as well in reference to the graduating Class of 2000. Secondary school can refer to any school after primary school - including middle school and junior high. Some students in public school go to separate junior high and high schools. Also, the phrase 'finish their secondary education' can refer to someone graduating from the eighth grade (mini-graduation before junior high). However, high school refers to grades 9-12; it is more specific. The last graduating high school class, 1999, is the last of Generation X. We are trying to be consistent in the use of terminology on these pages. CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 00:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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Good morning...I see that you reverted an edit that I made on the American AD article. Would it be possible to include an edit summary when you do that? It was a pretty minor point, but the word that you re-added seems a bit unnecessary. The robe either follows the ICC or it doesn't, right? Thanks!--dave-- 13:15, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

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Gentry

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Alexander Hamilton on slavery

Before I attempt to get you permanently banned for deliberately misrepresenting a source, care to explain why you falsified the the one about the scholarly consensus on him, the other Founders, and slavery? http://www.jstor.org/stable/1408953 ColaXtra (talk) 23:57, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I have reported you to an admin here. ColaXtra (talk) 00:16, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I should have assumed good faith, perhaps you just misread it. Apologies. ColaXtra (talk) 01:33, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The statement that currently leads the section, and the citation that is used to try and support it, are confusing in relation to each other. The paper you cite gives ample eveidence that Hamilton was not, in fact, at all ambivalent about slavery in the United States, and the opening statement of the paragraph was misleading, and set a disingenuous tone for the rest of the section. I have done a significant amount of reading on Hamilton, and there is ample evidence that - in fact - a significant amount of recent scholorship, at least, and even contemporary documentation on Hamilton (especially considering his work the the NY Manumission Society) indicates that he was not typical among his cohort because of his opposition to slavery. I will use the same citation, rephrase the statement, and put in in place in the section that does not give a false impression. Shoreranger (talk) 16:11, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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Are you okay with this image as a compromise? It's an official portrait of him as Secretary of the Treasury in 1792 and looks fairly close to your 1802 portrait. Most importantly, it looks official (and doesn't depict Hamilton in a depressed state after the death of his son in 1801). Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 08:04, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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USA is off my watch list now.....but to let you know that at Wiki chat there is talk about your editwaring and perhaps a block on the article for a few months. Best step back! Moxy- 19:23, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up.

All in all most of the discussions up till just now have been pretty civil.

As far as "edit warring", it is not clear to me how it is decided who is the party in the wrong when it takes two editors to engage. I err on the side of the person who adds the original text, but it seems what really matters is who puts up the warning notice first.

Sorry to see you go. Shoreranger (talk) 19:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Nice work!

Hi there, what good work you are doing to help to inform people about a few elementary facts that they were not taught in school. You might enjoy reading our Yodeling article when I managed to get a lot of history about an African American contribution that few people, including me until I began my work on that article, are aware of. Also read the Gandy dancer article and see the suggestion that a Black man is likely responsible for military Jody calls. Sectionworker (talk) 20:36, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Shoreranger (talk) 20:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Please make a comment in the appropriate Talk section of the article! Shoreranger (talk) 13:06, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Look, when what the Smithsonian had to say drew no response whatsoever, I am not going to put a lot of effort into trying to convince any of those editors of anything. What the African Americans have done for this American culture is deserving of more article space, not less. The problem that you and I are facing is the problem of a one-sided opinion since we have next to no Black editors here. It's like what women face here, only worse. You've sure done a great job but it looks like you've been throwing your pearls to swine. Sectionworker (talk) 13:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - and I see you've already commented, I hadn't realized. Best regards. Shoreranger (talk) 13:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Countering systemic bias within the United States article

Hi! I notice and appreciate the work that you have been doing at the United States article to diversify the article with more coverage of underrepresented groups. Given that the article is too long, I think that you might be more successful if you first try to cut down the existing material, starting with the content that is puffery or uncited. Your argument for including material will be stronger if the rest of the article is shorter. You might also be interested in WikiProject Countering systemic bias.  — Freoh 20:56, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I will look into your suggestions. Shoreranger (talk) 12:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. I have tried but don't know how to delete the comment in the first para of the Culture section. Here it is: Historically, after two World Wars, which delegitimated aggressive nation-statehood and which saw the rise of a culturally liberal United States as a dominant global power, the nascent world society was built on a universalistic cultural frame rooted in the natural laws of science and human rights.}}</ref> This is far from a RS. He is almost unknown and it is one study, not even peer reviewed as far as I saw, and no links to it by anyone that may have used it.

Also, that entire section is so bad it is sickening. It begins with how freedom loving we are and the source is so biased it could be called bigoted. We have the source book in WP and you can read our article for yourself. BTW, if you happen to be Catholic, please improve yourself and your country by becoming a Protestant, or so he says... Maybe we need a little bit of Howard Zinn in the article... Sectionworker (talk) 22:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Sectionworker, what do you mean that you don't know how? I agree with you that the sentence is problematic, so I removed it. Feel free to be bold and cut out especially biased material; this article needs some major trimming.  — Freoh 23:48, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Good job. Next I'm going to do something about Huntington. Sectionworker (talk) 02:06, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

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