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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. The detailed source analysis supporting the "delete" majority view has remained unrebutted. Sandstein 08:20, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Uday Narkar

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Fails the notability test for politicians, and of course WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. A cursory search doesn't bring up anything useful. Also, peoplesdemocracy.in would be very much unreliable in this context, because it is not independent of the subject and would hardly be unbiased. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep : Without resorting to WP:OTHERSTUFF, I will like to draw attention to the amount of blue-links at Template:Democratic_State_Chairs. State chairs in Democratic Party are generally less important than state secretaries/presidents in Indian political party like CPIM which is one of the only six national parties. State presidents/secretaries are highest position in state unit of a party.
Multiple reliable media have covered Uday Narkar. What this article needs is improvement, not deletion. Besides People's Democracy is indeed a reliable sources for this because the citation covers just the event of state conference and election of Uday Narkar as state secretary. Besides he is also the member of Central Committee of CPIM. XYZ 250706 (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Currently 16 citations are there (many Wikipedia articles only have 1-3 citations). More can be added with the passing of time. XYZ 250706 (talk) 13:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I was on the fence about this person, but the new trivia, unreliable sources and unencyclopedic content added by XYZ demonstrates that the topic is not notable. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment:@Ssilvers Can you suggest some improvements? I think discussions are not for deletion only, improvements of Wikipedia are main motive. Which are the sources you think unreliable? Besides can you please the reason for which you were on the fence first? XYZ 250706 (talk) 14:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did suggest some improvements, which you undid. For example, Wikipedia articles do not include titles like "Dr." in the first sentence of the lead. Later in the article, you can say where the person earned a doctorate, if you have a WP:Reliable Source. Any fact that is not cited to a WP:Reliable source should be removed per WP:BLP. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ssilvers Here is one of the citations. (https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/maharashtra-assembly-polls-cpim-12-seats-uday-narkar-interview-9597342/lite/) XYZ 250706 (talk) 15:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Besides this article contains many inline citations. Please make your valuable contributions such that this article can stay in Wikipedia. XYZ 250706 (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : Now the article is filled with inline citations and passes WP:GNG. XYZ 250706 (talk) 16:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I have assessed the sixteen citations. The intention was to demonstrate notability - it demonstrated the reverse.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC) updated 22:15.[reply]
    Comment : The Lokmat Times citation also adds a view of Uday Narkar regarding organising the march. : Keeping in mind the concerns arising out of the high temperatures, the organisers have made suitable arrangements for drinking water, shade, walking only in the morning and evening hours, etc, Narkar said.. Besides the citation on RTI activists adds his views on the matter and also indicates that he is RTI activist. Besides Daylight murder of democracy citation mostly adds his views only unlike the citation just before it where a press statement is released. I think the fact that he is a Central Committee member of CPIM is to be derived from the list of the Central Committee members only because how separate lines/paragraph on each member is possible. XYZ 250706 (talk) 02:24, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Toddy1@Ssilvers The motive of this discussion is improvement of Wikipedia. You all are requested to make your valuable contributions so that this article can pass GNG and stay undeleted. Besides one cannot deny that multiple reliable sources have mentioned and covered Uday Narkar and all the information I have derived is from those source only. XYZ 250706 (talk) 02:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @XYZ 250706 Please, do not remove or edit Toddy1's source assessment. Do your own source assessment without removing or replacing Toddy1's own. I just reverted your edit again as you've done it twice. Also, please read WP:BLUD, the more often you express the same ideas in a discussion, the less persuasive you become. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Vanderwaalforces I am not removing anything. I just added my own. Yes at first I misunderstood and thought that I have to edit the table. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    "Significant coverage" means that the source tells the reader a lot about Uday Narkar (who is the subject of the Wikipedia article). See WP:SIGCOV.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Any citation covering the subject doesn't necessarily add a biography (detailed information) of the subject. His contribution to or views on the event are enough for significant coverage as "Significant coverage" addresses a topic of the subject directly and in detail, not the whole subject. For significant coverage, the subject does not need to be the main topic of the source material. In this article, sources/citations are added in such way each citation addresses a particular information on this subject directly and in detail. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Besides no original research is done here. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table prepared by User:Toddy1
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Shaikh, Zeeshan (1 October 2024). "CPI(M) sets sight on 12 seats in Maharashtra Assembly polls, says MVA not properly engaging smaller allies". The Indian Express. Archived from the original on 5 October 2024.
 ~ A newspaper interview with the subject Yes ~ Interview about the party, not about the subject ~ Partial
Jadhav, Rohidas (17 June 2019). "SFI State Camp Plans Series of Student Struggles in Maharashtra". Students' Federation of India. The subjects and the teachers in the four-day class were as follows: ... 6. What is Socialism? – AIKS state vice president Dr Uday Narkar
 Yes Yes No Passing mention ✘ No
No The subject is the author Yes No Passing mentions ✘ No
No His publisher's list of authors Yes ~ Short biography ✘ No
"Democratic Centralism: CPI(M) 23rd Congress and Central Committee". Advocatetanmoy Law Library. 24 August 2024.
 Yes Yes No Passing mention ✘ No
"Central Committee Elected at the 23rd Congress". Communist Party Of India (Marxist). 2022.
 Yes Yes No Passing mention ✘ No
Yes Yes No Passing mention ✘ No
Yes Yes No A summary of The Indian Express article of 1 October 2024. Mentions the subject 5 times, but says very little about the subject. ✘ No
Yes Yes No Mentions the subject twice, but says little about him. ✘ No
@cpimspeak (May 11, 2024). "Marathi Editions of Prabir Purkayastha and Justice K Chandru's Books Released by Janshakti Prakashan in Mumbai" (Tweet) – via Twitter. Director of 'Janshakti' and Editor of 'Jeewan Marg', Dr Uday Narkar, introduced the work and the recent titles of the publishing house.
 Twitter - Communist Party of India No 1 mention ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
Source assessment table
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
"Dr Uday Narkar". Ballotbox India. 5 October 2023.
 ballotboxindia.com ~ 1 paragraph biography ? Unknown
"About Us". Janwadi Lekhak Sangh.
 No No No This source is cited to say what Janwadi Lekhak Sangh is. The page does not mention the subject. ✘ No
"Over 50 RTI activists attacked in Maharashtra". Daijiworld Media. 22 February 2015. Activist Uday Narkar said, "Kolhapur has been called the home turf of progressive movements. Comrade Pansare has been insisting that it is no longer so. Over the last few decades the reactionary forces, rabid specifically Hindutva forces have gained grounds in Kolhapur and neighbouring areas."
 Yes Yes No Quotes the subject twice ✘ No
"Release Elgar Parishad political prisoners: CPM". Pune Times Mirror. IANS. 24 December 2022. Archived from the original on 15 January 2025.
 Yes Yes ~ Article about CPI(M)'s demands. The subject is their spokesman. Big photo; 1 quotation. ~ Partial
No Each "story" consists of a statement by the subject ~ Reliable as a statement of the subject's view ~ About CPI(M)'s views; very limited indication of notability of subject ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.


Comment : Here is the assessment table based on current citations. XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table prepared by User:XYZ 250706
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
~ A newspaper interview with the subject Yes ~ Interview about the party, not about the subject ~ Partial
Jadhav, Rohidas (17 June 2019). "SFI State Camp Plans Series of Student Struggles in Maharashtra". Students' Federation of India. The subjects and the teachers in the four-day class were as follows: ... 6. What is Socialism? – AIKS state vice president Dr Uday Narkar
 Yes Yes ~ Mention of him being AIKS Maharashtra vice-president and giving lecture in SFI seminar ~ Partial
"CPI(M) Maharashtra State Conference Concludes". Communist Party of India (Marxist). 26 March 2022. Retrieved 20 January 2025. The 23rd CPI(M) Maharashtra state conference concluded with Comrade Uday Narkar being elected as State Secretary.
 Yes Yes Yes Coverage on his election to the post of CPM Maharashtra state secretary replacing Narsayya Adam. ✔ Yes
No His publisher's list of authors Yes ~ Short biography ✘ No
"Democratic Centralism: CPI(M) 23rd Congress and Central Committee". Advocatetanmoy Law Library. 24 August 2024.
 Yes Yes ~ Mention in the list of the members of Central Committee ~ Partial
"Central Committee Elected at the 23rd Congress". Communist Party Of India (Marxist). 2022.
 Yes Yes ~ Mention in the list of the members of Central Committee ~ Partial
Yes Yes Yes His quote on the organisation of the march is given ✔ Yes
Yes Yes ~ Indicates that he took part in MVA seat sharing discussions ~ Partial
Yes Yes Yes Mention about subject's taking part in MVA seat sharing discussions ✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
Source assessment table
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
@cpimspeak (May 11, 2024). "Marathi Editions of Prabir Purkayastha and Justice K Chandru's Books Released by Janshakti Prakashan in Mumbai" (Tweet) – via Twitter. Director of 'Janshakti' and Editor of 'Jeewan Marg', Dr Uday Narkar, introduced the work and the recent titles of the publishing house.
 Yes Twitter - Communist Party of India (Marxist) Yes ~ Mention about publishing Jeevan Marg and directing Janshakti ~ Partial
"Dr Uday Narkar". Ballotbox India. 5 October 2023.
 Yes ballotboxindia.com ~ 1 paragraph biography ? Unknown
"About Us". Janwadi Lekhak Sangh.
 No This source is cited to say what Janwadi Lekhak Sangh is. The page does not mention the subject. ✘ No
"Over 50 RTI activists attacked in Maharashtra". Daijiworld Media. 22 February 2015. Activist Uday Narkar said, "Kolhapur has been called the home turf of progressive movements. Comrade Pansare has been insisting that it is no longer so. Over the last few decades the reactionary forces, rabid specifically Hindutva forces have gained grounds in Kolhapur and neighbouring areas."
 Yes Yes Yes Mention of his views on the matter and also indicates him being RTI activist ✔ Yes
"Release Elgar Parishad political prisoners: CPM". Pune Times Mirror. IANS. 24 December 2022. Archived from the original on 15 January 2025.
 Yes Yes ~ Article about CPI(M)'s demands. The subject is their spokesman. Big photo; 1 quotation. ~ Partial
Yes ~ Reliable as a statement of the subject's view ~ About CPI(M)'s views; very limited coverage on Subject. ~ Partial
Yes ~ Reliable as a statement of the subject's view Yes ~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
  • Delete: Toddy1's analysis is more or less correct - though I don't believe that the Partial assessments are usable towards judging GNG even on a WP:NPOINTS basis as WP:NOTINHERITED applies (could be used as limited cites if GNG were established, however). WP:PASSING mentions of appointments are clearly not significant coverage of the subject, and nor are statements recorded where the speaker is acting as a representative. Note that even independent recorded opinions of someone are not enough to establish notability at AFD and significant coverage OF the subject is needed. XYZ 250706's analysis is incorrect. A WP:REFBOMB does not notability make, but assessing only their four "Yes" entries shows they fall far short of WP:THREE in demonstrating sigcov. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 07:17, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : We should also think of other alternatives rather than deletion although this article is much more well cited than many articles staying in Wikipedia. I have already mentioned Template:Democratic_State_Chairs. XYZ 250706 (talk) 07:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Don't bring the WP:WHATABOUTX argument here. If other State Chair articles are not well-cited, then nominate them for deletion. That doesn't mean we need to keep this article. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even if, hypothetically, State Chairs of large parties did have some presumed notability, the CPIM currently holds a total of two seats in the Tamil Nadu assembly. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 08:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hydronium Hydroxide Yes and two Lok Sabha MPs are from Tamil Nadu also. It is a national party as per election results criteria of ECI. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Significant coverage of the topic is needed according to Wikipedia. Wikipedia nowhere mentions each citation should have significant coverage on the topic. I think all sources (Wikipedia mentions plural form) should together have significant coverage. So overall significant coverage is enough. XYZ 250706 (talk) 07:47, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I reviewed the entries in the source assessment table that are listed as counting toward GNG, and they are all utterly trivial - most of them have nothing at all to say about Narkar besides the fact that he was a leader of the CPI (M) in the state. Indeed I'm not seeing anything else biographical that can be sourced from independent reliable sources: as such this is a long way from meeting WP:GNG. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:33, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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