Talk:Simon Monjack

This is an article about Simon Monjack, not Brittany Murphy

I know we're all super excited about gossiping about the death of someone we've heard of, but that belongs on Ms Murphy's page, not on the page of this... person. Rogerborg (talk) 00:10, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

In regards to this is it really necessary to have her death mentioned in this article? I don't see a connection between her death and him unless he was involved in it.Woods01 (talk) 00:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Her death was a major event in his life, hence it is necessary to state it in his bio. For the same reason, his father's death is also mentioned in this article. Jim Michael (talk) 18:47, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

It's very rare for a middle-aged person to be killed by a Staphylococcus Aureus infection, and it's almost unthinkably rare for a that person's spouse to succumb to the exact same infection just five months later. This tragic conjunction is very notable. It suggests that one of them may have caught the infection from the other, or that they shared some condition that made them prone to this type of infection. 71.219.203.251 (talk) 04:12, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Did he really have anything to do with Factory Girl?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1238373/Has-Mr-Brittany-Murphy-got-hide.html

Search for "Hickenlooper" and you will be taken to the paragraphs in which the DIRECTOR of the film, no less, says that Monjack's claims are rubbish. 86.7.211.128 (talk) 20:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, but as ever, WP:BLP issues become involved. This is an area requiring caution because of the potential for WP:LIBEL. For the time being, this is probably best left out of the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Father

A message to my talk page today claims that his father was William Monjack who died in 1986. The Death index of England and Wales 1984-2006 [1] shows an entry for William Monjack (1949-1986) who died in Oxfordshire. Can anyone provide any evidence that he was Simon's father? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Please submit any links to official records to show Simon's parents' marriage etc. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Ethnicity

It states that is ethnicity is Juidism. A Jew is someone that involves a religion, can we change the word 'ethnicity' to religion? (TheGreenwalker (talk) 10:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC))

What?? Trst (talk) 14:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

"Jewish" is an ethnicity, not just a religion. There are people who are ethnically Jews but do not practice religious Judasim. 65.41.234.70 (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

His mother said he was of Jewish faith. Jim Michael (talk) 16:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

To clarify, it is a unique exception, but it is correct that Judaism is to date the only religion that can also be classified as a nationality. Therefore it is factually correct to say one's nationality is Jewish in addition to being of the Jewish faith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisan1978 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

What has nationality got to do with ethnicity? Are you saying that the citizens of Israel are all Jewish or that nobody can become a Jew who does not also belong to some particular ethnic strain. There doesn't appear to be any logic to your claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 22:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I think Jews, Sikhs and Zoroastrians are the only groups recognised where ethnicity and religion are combined. No idea why tbh, they're just dumb humans like you and I at the end of the day. edit - no idea how to add time info etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.224.134.27 (talk) 21:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Date of birth

According to official records on ancestry.co.uk, his birth was recorded between January-March 1970, so there is no way he could have been born in August. He had to have been born at the very end of 1969, or at the beginning of 1970. Where is everybody getting August 5 from? Also, this seems to be a genuine profile which has not been touched since 2008: http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=308317360 Ravenscroft32 (talk) 14:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Forgot to add: what are the "reliable sources" that say his DOB was August 5? Ravenscroft32 (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Ancestry.co.uk is not a reliable source, please read WP:RS. Reliable sources are independent news sources reporting on information or an event. Here are two news articles citing an August 5, 1970 birth: Times UK and MTV.com news. I could not find any reliable sources indicating a January 1 birth, but admittedly there are some sources that say he was 39 at death, and some say 40. But the only reliable sources with any exact date say August 5. If this cannot be resolved I would support putting something like (c. 1970 – 23 May 2010) and changing the category from "1970 births" to "Year of birth uncertain". — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 14:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me that most of the "reliable sources" have taken their info from Wikipedia. I'm not sure how an independent news source could be more reliable than official birth records! I'm with you and would rather we put 1970 (which was in this article for a long time until recently) than August 5. Ravenscroft32 (talk) 14:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

(Butting in) Ancestry uses official birth records, but we only should use published sources. Ancestry is just records (i.e. primary sources) and isn't published. We report on what reliable published sources say and should not interpret things for ourselves or else it becomes original research. Aiken ♫ 15:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, per WP:PRIMARY, we can only use a primary source in unison with secondary sources if all secondary sources support the same conclusion. Since secondary sources widely conflict on the DOB, I think we can only list an approximation. If the official records are reporting a birth between January–March 1970, I think we can safely assume a 1970 birth. A few sources here and there are saying 1969 or 1971, but I don't think they are reliable enough to merit a "c. 1970" over a "1970" birth. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 15:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Sources disagree as to the day, month and year of his birth. All births in England and Wales legally have to be registered within 6 weeks. If his birth was registered in the first quarter of 1970, he would have been born between November 1969 and March 1970. Could someone who has access to ancestry.co.uk's records please confirm his mother's maiden name is Hall? Jim Michael (talk) 03:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I have access to ancestry.co.uk and yes, his mother's maiden name is Hall. But I thought this wasn't enough as a source? On the DOB thing, I still think the correct date is January 1, per Simon's own page here: http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=308317360

Ravenscroft32 (talk) 01:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Was his birth registered in the first quarter of 1970? If so, that means he was 40 when he died. Was his birth registered in Hillingdon, as the article states? Some sources state he was born in North London, but Hillingdon is in West London. Jim Michael (talk) 01:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, his birth was registered in the first quarter of 1970 - feel sure his birthday is January 1, as per my ref above. Yes, the birth was registered in Hillingdon. Ravenscroft32 (talk) 16:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately the link you provided is not a reliable secondary source. In addition, it's perfectly plausible that Monjack simply filled in "1970" as his birth and left January 1 as the default date. We need secondary sources confirming a January 1 birth, of which we have none. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 16:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I changed the age at death to 39. I see that may not be the correct age after all, but as long as the DOB is listed as Aug 5th, then the age should be consistent with that.99.253.195.150 (talk) 00:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

He was not born in August! Because his birth was registered late 1969 or early 1970, according to official records, it's just not possible! Ravenscroft32 (talk) 21:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I really don't know anything about this guy, so I can't really comment on his DOB. It was just that the inconsistent info in the bio box made me do a double-take. If the age is changed to 40, then the August 5 DOB should be deleted to prevent future whiplash. ;) 99.253.195.150 (talk) 22:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Note - the Social Security Death Index lists 9 March FYI. Connormah (talk) 05:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Death

Is there any reliable sources concluding he died of a heart attack? The only source stating it doesn't include that in it's article at all. It only cites it as speculation and the date of the article comes long before TMZ (who might not be all that reliable) published the cause of death as unknown. Other sites would surely not list the cause of death as unknown of a cause of death had been confirmed.Woods01 (talk) 00:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Date of death?

I edited his date of death a while back because there was a contradiction between his page, Brittany Murphy's page, and the article about his death, and it was removed 2 minutes later, was that information correct, or was my edit removed just for the hell of it? What's the point of even editing wikipedia if your edits will be removed moments after you've made them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bumblebritches57 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

This edit contains a mistake. Brittany Murphy died on December 20, 2009, and Simon Monjack died on May 23, 2010.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, now I see it, thanks for clarifying that for me Bumblebritches57 (talk) 11:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)