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Tucker Barnes

• Rescue tag seems legitimately added, please do not remove. Whether Tucker is a Serene Branson or a Melissa Sander will be determined in the AfD. cheers.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 18:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

• Going around and putting me down for nominating the article up for AfD is no way to act. If you want to slam me, then do it here. Every one event AfD you comment on you say keep. Every article stands on its own not to ones you only say keep to.
• The "rescue" tag is not what other articles are doing but what Barne's article is doing. Does it meet the Guidelines for rescue? 1) does it need referencing? No, it had plenty of reliable references. 2) Is it written poorly? No 3) Does it lack information readily available? No. Article is about one event and it has plenty references about the one event. 4) Does it need to be cleaned up? No. Therefore, no rescue tag. I asked the editor to discuss, he refused and kept removing the rescue tag. Funny... you tell him to discuss, but you also like to remove without discussing. Thanks alot.
• Again, the SPA has nothing to do with the article or similar types of articles. It says "few or no other edits outside this topic" and 1/4 of his edits are on this article. Bgwhite (talk) 22:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

• There's nothing to fight over, I said the nom was legit, as was the rescue tag. Let the AfD decide. BTW, I don't vote keep on every one event thing like this, though I find it amusing when editors want to squash such articles.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 15:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Nahum Tevet

Can you also see the request here for a source and add your note about external references (same editor), thanks Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 20:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Done.

A new template was created today, Template:IMJ-IAC. I just added it to Tevet's article and you should use it from now on. What is nice is you can see what articles are using the template here. A discussion on creating it is at User talk:Wittylama#Category:Museums external links templates. I think a category or two might also be in order. I'll mention it there too. Bgwhite (talk) 21:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hi! I'm sorry about the non-english references. In some articles, i didn't find references in english, just in other languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonynando (talk • contribs) 22:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

You are doing football player articles. Almost every footballer has English references. You have done 5 football articles since I contacted you a few days ago. You have only added Portuguese, Spanish or Turkish references. When I do a Google search, English references are always listed on the first page shown for every player. Bgwhite (talk) 22:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I see you removed the Proposed for Deletion tag on Emre Sahin (footballer) that another editor had put on. Just to let you know, there are guidelines located at WP:NFOOTBALL that say when a footballer is presumed notable. As Sahin hasn't "represented their country in any officially sanctioned senior international competition" and is not playing for a league outlinee at the list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football (he is playing for a third division and not first division Belgium team), Sahin shouldn't have an article. You are writing perfectly good articles. I have absolutely no complaint about the articles except for English references, just be careful on what player to add. Bgwhite (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Pam Sporn wikify tag?

You recently tagged the stub for Pam Sporn as needing wikifying. What specifically were you looking for? Cloveapple (talk) 08:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

He He. I remember that name because I kept thinking it said "Pam Porn". "Wikifying" means there needs to be more wikilinks. Wikilinks are words in blue on an article. I added some to the page and removed the tag. Bgwhite (talk) 08:54, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Hehe! I automatically Spoonerised it as "Spam Porn". Shows what kind of minds we have, eh?! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 18:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Articles for your consideration!

Gara Garayev (footballer)

Battle of Michmash copy-pasted (copyvio?) from sitedavies.com G12?

Battle of Samaria ditto from Chabad.org (dated from June, I think)

Zeina Awad - BLP; many/most references link to non-free content. What to do with that one?

Pesky (talk …stalk!) 10:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm ... seems someone has already agreed with me on some of those! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 18:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'd say good call on the copyvio ones.

Gara Garayev is perfectly fine. He is on a professional Azerbaijani team that plays in the Azerbaijan Premier League. The league is listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues. There should not be a non-English reference when English ones are available. So, I replaced the ref with one from Soccerway. The Soccerway ref provides a source that he plays on "legal" team, therefore he is presumed notable and doesn't need another ref.

Oi, Zeina Awad is a tough one. I have a really tough time with Journalists. They are on-the-air or in print all the time, but not much is ever talked about them. The only guidance is at WP:AUTHOR. All but the first two refs in the article are youtube links to the program she hosts. These refs do nothing to establish nobility because they are not independent of Ms. Awad. The first ref just mentions her name, therefore, it is not significant coverage. I can't see the second ref. So, there are no reliable, independent refs that give significant coverage of Ms. Awad. I tried looking for any article that was just about her and did not see any. This is a judgement call. I see nothing in the "rules" that says she should have an article, but I maybe wrong. I'd say take her to AfD. In the nom, state what I said about the refs in the article and also say you can't find any source that is about her. Bgwhite (talk) 19:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeh, that was pretty much my feelings about Zeina Awad, too! I'm a bit chary of links to YouTube stuff (because of the wossname about linking to possible copvio-problem pages, too) though i didn't actually check out whether those were 'legal' vids, if you see what I mean. I couldn't see a darned thing actually talking about her anywhere, either. So we're pretty much in agreement about her, it seems.

The footballers - I think I'll just avoid footballers! I just don't know enough about football to suss out if the league they're playing in is 'good enough', so I'll leave those to someone else. The only problem I do have with them is that I can never seem to find anything amounting to "sufficient sources" to say anything about them other than which league / team / country they play for, so I tend to feel they're always going to have insufficient sources to make any kind of decent BLP article at all, unless they do something dramatic and end up on the front page for something other than football, so it's more a case of me humming and haaahing about insufficient sources than notability, I s'pose. So, I'll avoid most sporty-person articles, just on the basis that I'm not likely to make good judgment calls on them (no rule says I have to go through every darned page ....... lol!) Thanks for your input. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 08:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Yea, I do the same about footballers... Unless something strikes me as strange, I pass them on thru. By strange, I mean no refs at all or they are under 20. If they are under 20, the chances of them playing on a notable professional team are low. I had an eight year old footballer come thru saying they were notable because they were playing with 12-year olds. I can pick out tennis players (only because I made a huge mistake and did alot of learning), golfers, American football players and baseball players. Everything else is just pass on thru unless something is strange.

I've AfD'd Zeina; we shall see what happens with her. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 09:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Been (cautiously!) tagging a few; hopefully I'm getting it right by now :D Pesky (talk …stalk!) 12:38, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Workgroups

There isn't one that I know of. I've been adding the "listas" parameter to the WikiProject Biography template -- somewhere or other there's a link to a category of pages with the template but no alphabetization. Where I can easily identify a workgroup to assign it to, I'll add that too if nobody else has.  — AnnaKucsma  Speak! 03:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'm all that interested in officially being designated a WikiGnome. Most of my gnome-like behavior happens on LibraryThing (q.v.). I mostly come help here when I tire of things like combining works and cleaning up author pages. But thanks for offering, anyway.  — AnnaKucsma  Speak! 16:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

David Vaughan (dance archivist)

Hi. Just wanted you to know that you didn't remove just the IMDB ref from this article, you also removed references from the Internet Broadway Database (IBDB) and the Internet Off-Broadway Database (IOBDB) which are not user-accessible databases like IMDB, but are mantained by two professional organizations, the League of American Theatres and the Lucille Lotel Foundation, respectively. They are both considered to be reliable sources, because their satabase is built from programs, theatre records, union records, etc.

Further, IMDB itself is considered to be reliable for things like cast lists and credits, it's primarily not reliable for biographical information about subjects -- which is not how it was used. Nonetheless, I'll do a bit of research and back up the one IMDB credit.

I've restored those refs, but without removing the Persondata & cat you added to the article. Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I've learned my new thing for the day. Thank you for telling me about the IBDB and IOBDB. However, IMDB should never be used as a reliable source. The docs do say "not generally reliable", but if the article moves up the ladder to GA or FA status, it will get removed. Bgwhite (talk) 08:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I've replaced the IMDB ref with one from TCM, which is considered to be reliable. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:53, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Murat Sabanci

Re: Proposed deletion of Murat Sabancı
I have some sources for the biography of Murat Sabanci;

http://arsiv.sabah.com.tr/1998/08/08/r05.html
http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Person:607039
http://www.uludagsozluk.com/k/sabanc%C4%B1-karde%C5%9Fler/
http://www.museumstuff.com/learn/topics/Sabanci_family

2 of them are in Turkish and 2 are in English. Would these work?

If not what else I could provide to make permanent changes on my personal information?

I have been trying to keep myself away from written media, so it is really hard to find any publications about me. I could provide some documentation to prove that my my personal information is accurate...

Thank you for your time...
Murat Sabanci

The first Turkish one looks to be ok for a reference. Unfortunately, it doesn't go into detail about Mr Sabanci, therefore it can't be used to establish notability on Wikipedia. The second link, en.rodovid.org, is a user generated wiki. The other two links say the information is from Wikipedia. A user generated wiki or Wikipedia are not considered reliable sources because anyone can edit. WP:SOURCES as some information on what makes a reliable source. It takes 10 days for the proposed deletion to run its course, so there is time to come up with some sources.

In order for an article about a living person to be on Wikipedia, generally, it has to meet WP:GNG. If there are no sources, then there is no page. Unfortunately, any information that you provide about yourself is not deemed independent, thus not amissable. This is not to say you are not notable in the real world, just not on Wikipedia. I think journalist and businesspeople have the hardest trouble with these requirements. Journalists write alot, but not to many get written about. Businesspeople get written about, but it is usually only in the context of the company... You see news stories about the companies that have quotes or mention company officials, but not many stories about the businesspeople themselves. Bgwhite (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply. Basically in my bio i only stated my education and business life without getting in any details. These information can be found online such as my company info that can be found on a public website that's been ran by the US Government without any user access for editing. Also, education info can be found online websites which is official school websites... --Runoka (talk) 09:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

CloudFlare Talkback

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Thanks for your help. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 22:45, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Please help me.

Hello,

This is about berrin karakaş and other writers. I'm writing this mail from kalem agency turkey. And www.itef.com.tr is our site. These writers biographies must be entered by me. About ITLF- Istanbul Tanpinar Literature Festival. We send this mail to permissions-en

To Whom It May Concern,

I’m event coordinator of ITEF - Istanbul Tanpınar Literature Festival. For entering, novelists’ biographies we want to add all of these writers’ biographies via our site http://www.itef.com.tr/en/ It’s acceptable for us using our site for writers data in http://www.itef.com.tr/en/. And we promise that we won’t claim any rights for http://www.itef.com.tr/en/ site but in this condition By-Nc.

We are ready to answer your possible questions,

Best Regards.

Mehmet Demirtas ITEF Event Coordinator

ITEF - Istanbul Tanpınar Literature Festival Address: Ensiz Sok. No.2-3 Tünel / Beyoglu 34430 İstanbul, Turkey Tel: +90 212 245 44 06 GSM: +90 536 771 07 40 Fax: +90 212 245 44 19 E-mail: info@itef.com.tr web: www.itef.com.tr

But we had no answer please don't erase the articles.

Onurderebek (talk) 09:20, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

First off, you have a Conflict of Interest in adding these articles. Adding authors that will be at your festival and only using the festival's site as a reference is very dangerous. This doesn't mean you shouldn't be adding these articles, just you have to be careful. Please read WP:COI.

Second, adding these articles that are a word for word copy of the festival's website is not good even if you get permission to do so. Please write the article in your own words with information taken from the references.

Finally the most important, there really needs to be more references. Some of the authors don't really sound notable if you just use the festival's reference. There needs to be multiple references that talk about the authors. Preferably the references should be in English, but you have some in Turkish, that is just fine. If you can get these references, then saving the articles is just a matter of writing. If you can show me some of the these references, I can help you re-write if necessary (even if I have to use Google Translate). Bgwhite (talk) 09:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

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David Gardner (fiddler)

The new source I added is not from his website--it's from a third party, the Scottish Cultural Organization of the Triangle (North Carolina). http://scot.us/index.html

Regarding notability (I assume that's what you meant, not nobility), he's very notable in the Scottish fiddling scene, having placed in a major competition (the US Nationals) and is a member of two ensembles. One rather notable--The Virginia Company--and one significant in the Scottish music scene--The New Caledonian Four (members include Colyn Fischer). He also teaches at the relatively-prominent Jink and Diddle School of Scottish Fiddling.

How much of a presence the Scottish fiddling scene should have on Wikipedia is a separate matter.

Txmy (talk) 01:20, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Harmen

Hi - I was wondering if your using a bot or awb or something - your edit here removed the links to the archives and the British English template - did you want to do that? Off2riorob (talk) 06:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

In this diff you suggest your adding living but you remove collapsed - are you doing that deliberately - if so why? Off2riorob (talk) 06:49, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

You replied as I was replying....

What? there is only one English. And that is American-English as God intended :). It was done by accident. I was adding the living parameter which is mandatory for WP Biography and removing collapsed from WPBannerShell, which is only added with 6 or more banners. btw... if it says AWB in the comment field, it was done manually. For bots, the AWB tag is not added. Bgwhite (talk) 06:51, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Well just take your time dude. If I ask you to discuss what your doing don't go back to it and do it again. I don't give a fuck about god. - or if its only added mandatory if there are more than six also don't post talkback templates on my talkpage I can see messages.Off2riorob (talk) 06:55, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Egads calm down. Bgwhite (talk) 07:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Stop fucking around then. Off2riorob (talk) 07:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

((3RR|Talk:Harriet Harman))

I as a local editor - want it collapsed - stop edit warring . thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 07:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, you removed the living parameter twice and I added it back in. That was not edit waring. When you complained about the banner ("I don't give a fuck about god. - or if its only added mandatory") I reverted only once after the banner with notations showing the two different spots on why it should be. You didn't exactly have a conversation, more of a bully telling what is going to happen. Your notation was "Standard is a local issue not a bot one." Um, I'm not or nor have been using a bot as I stated before, I'm following guidelines. Also please refrain from your swearing and argumentative tone. I don't appretiate that. Bgwhite (talk) 07:40, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

WQA

Would you like to comment? Otherwise I am inclined to close it, but it is your call, as you opened the report...--Cerejota ^{If you reply, please place a {{talkback}} in my talk page if I do not reply soon.} 01:56, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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NUSMN

Just got a little depressed about that assignment

De Jun Zheng

Thank you for your notification. I have since given this matter more thought. When I initially created up the article, I was of the opinion that if it goes to trial, it could become a lengthy saga in Australia's criminal history like the case of Keli Lane. However, I think it's too early to draw that conclusion and like the case of Keli Lane now that I look back on it, creating a Wikipedia article could compromise the impartiality of subject's trial which in turn could deprive Abraham Papo's family of a fair go. If the case goes to trial which results in a good deal of publicity, then we could discuss recreating the article once a verdict is delivered. Until then I agree that the article should be deleted. Brens (talk) 11:32, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Sunder Ramu

How come the article can be speedy tagged for speedy deleted WP:CSD#A7 even though the article indicate importance of the subject? Karthik Nadar (talk) 12:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

• They can't be. On that note, I have challenged your WP:CSD A7 on Sunder Ramu. The article is now, and was at the time it was nominated under criteria A7 clearly indicated why the subject was important, which is all that is required to survive deletion under criteria A7. Furthermore, it is my opinion that at the time it was tagged, the article had a plausible claim to actual notability, which is a much higher standard to meet. Monty₈₄₅ 15:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
  • An actor who's entire acting experience is in a film that is currently filming. Ok... Bgwhite (talk) 18:25, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Shareif Ziyadat

Hi I just wanted to inform you that I added refereneces to my article Shareif Ziyadat in order to prevent deletion and I will continue to work on it. Thank you. I do have one question, since it is a biographical article how can I gain authorization to upload an image of Mr. Ziyadat to complete the article? Thank you in advance for your help on this topic. I understand how to do it but I am denied access. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonedemelo (talk • contribs) 14:52, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

References from his own website and Wikipedia are not considered reliable references. Wikipedia is very strict on adding photos. In order to upload a photo, the photo needs to be in the public domain, a "free license" or a photo you took. See WP:IUP for more information. Is the photo someplace on the web? If so, could you tell me the address and I can take a look. Bgwhite (talk) 18:25, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Gerry Kandelaars

Hi - can you please review your edit, thankyou. Timeshift (talk) 08:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Just saying thanks for your work here....

Well, I have no idea what's going on, but I just wanted to remind you that your valuable contributions are much appreciated! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:17, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletion - Moshe Kupferman can we put it back

i seem to have missed this one...

11 September 2011(diff | hist) . . Wikipedia:GLAM/IMJ/Israeli Artist Files‎; 19:36 . . (0) . . 77.125.128.227 (talk) (→List of Israeli Artists in Pilot: )

(diff | hist) . . Joshua Borkovsky‎; 09:08 . . (+38) . . ThatPeskyCommoner (talk | contribs) (Added

tag to article (TW))

(Deletion log); 00:09 . . Fastily (talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:Moshe Kupferman" (G8: Talk page of a deleted or non-existent page) (Deletion log); 00:09 . . Fastily (talk | contribs) deleted "Moshe Kupferman" (Expired PROD, concern was: The only "external links" offered for this person seem to be a few galleries which offer a couple samples of her paintings. I'm not sure this meets the threshold for notability.)

I didn't see it either. There is a way to get it back. I know Pesky, the user who originally added the PROD. She is relatively new and just made a simple, honest mistake. Bgwhite (talk) 19:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The article was just restored. Bgwhite (talk) 20:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

References and citations

I am not really clear on how to do a citation can you look over these pages please: Gal Weinstein see "Outdoor and Public Art" and all over Yaakov (Jack) Rosner. Also on Aviva Uri there is a request for citations, can this be removed? Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 02:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I think moving the Israel Museum external link upto references will solve alot of the problems. I saw the message Sreifa left you on your talk page. Normally should would be right about the use of inline citations. However, in the majority of articles so far, the Museum ref is the only reference given. So, having the Israel Museum reference not given in inline format should be fine.

I cleaned up Gal Weinstein... I cleaned up the two external links to his art work to make it a little easier to understand. Try to use the template for the Israel Museum and the same format for Weinstein for all the other articles.

I think this would make a good talk discussion at IMJ on what should the standard format for all these articles be. I've got another idea, but I have to get preliminary approval for it first. I'll get back to you when I have approval.

I haven't see Nomi (Ndreiss) around for awhile. I hope I didn't scare her away. Do you know her? Bgwhite (talk) 07:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Ummm ... can you double-check me, please?

I've found quite a few suddenly which seem to be cadidates for deletion of one kind or another! Could you please double-check me on them (before someone else sends my up in flames, perhaps!) Specially Line Integral Convolution. I'm sure I;ve read that one right - not sure quire what tag to put on it, so I;ve classified it as advert - though it might also be blatant hoax! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 10:02, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

It isn't a hoax, but beyond that I don't know. The creating editor is new and has recently done 3 similar articles. When something says "proposed technique" and alot of "we", it sure sounds like an advert. I'd ask User:Kudpung about this and tell me what he says. Bgwhite (talk) 18:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Mohammad Ala entry

Hi, I have nominated Mohammad Ala entry for deletion. Please feel free to vote or comment on the deletion entry. -- Marmoulak (talk) 21:28, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Unger

Hi! Thanks for adding the persondata to Eckhard Unger (have to learn to do that for myself, I think), and for picking up a typo while you were there. I was curious, though, that you think he might not be within the scope of WikiProject Measurement. Any particular reason? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

There were some non-standard parameters on the talk page that messed up AWB, the program I'm using. I couldn't make out what WikiProject Measurement was (it appeared as just Mea). Bgwhite (talk) 23:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

A broom is drearily sweeping up the broken pieces of yesterday's life

Congratulations on getting the number of biography articles without listas parameter under 5000! An amazing achievement!

Oh, and you once lamented the fact that you tended not to get very interesting section headings on your talk page, so I hope this helps.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh, thank you for the section heading. I really appreciate that. You are the one to thank for listas as you have been at it longer than I have.Bgwhite (talk) 21:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, what a wonderfully poetic section heading! Me likey :o) Pesky (talk …stalk!) 04:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

In case anyone doesn't recognize it, it's from a Jimi Hendrix song. It was perfectly appropriate for the topic, and is one of my all-time favorite lines from any song. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:52, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

glam\imj

thank you! i will start working on those pages. talmoryair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.117.118 (talk) 09:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

shana tova

Wikipedia:GLAM/IMJ/Members

Talmoryair — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.242.213 (talk) 14:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I had to look up what Shana Tova meant... Thank you. I hope you have a happy new year's too. Bgwhite (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

New pages

Liselotte Grschebina there is a note about the reference that says it is unhappy with what I did, but I cannot figure out what to fix. Thanks Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 20:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to add the references subsection. I added it.

You must have had a busy week because of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Everywhere I looked the news media was talking about the Israel Museum. I had to look up what shana tova meant... you have happy new year too. Bgwhite (talk) 21:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Efrat Natan another page with the same error message Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 21:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Aha, now I have another question...I am creating a page for Walter Zadek and what to know the correct was to upload an image so that it wont bed deleted (this week another images of mine was deleted, I just don't seem to get it). The image is here [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drkup(IMJ) (talk • contribs) 21:30, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Images can be a real pain because of the tight copyright requirements of Wikipedia. From the link you gave me, you can't add it... There is no copyright listed. A photo has to be in the public domain or it gives permission to use the photo anyway a person pleases. If no copyright is listed, there is noway of knowing its copyright status. In the U.S., anything published before 1923 or created by certain government agencies (federal government for example) are in the public domain. Does the museum have any photos it could add? I see Talmoryair adding photos from the museum. Bgwhite (talk) 21:45, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

About: "priority=" variable in WikiProject Biography

Hi Bgwhite, and most appreciate your message. Ah, so that explains it doesn't appear in the "Show Preview"s... D'oh! Thanks for your help! --Shirt58 (talk) 09:53, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Bio tag

Thanks for the update. I have taken "priority" out of the templates that I use.--FeanorStar7 (talk) 07:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the new information. Nice to know that those listas and living parameter categories are being worked on. I figured a bot was doing the listas. I periodically check for new living ones that need to be done; but if I think there is a question or problem, I leave it for you (or your bot). Let me know if I can help further. All the best,--FeanorStar7 (talk) 14:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: No more "priority" in WikiProject Biography

Many thanks for letting me know. To be honest, I must have copy/pasted it from some older article using the same projects, and usually afterwords I do the necessary corrections. I´ll remember from now on this one. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 06:36, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Your work on Bio project is so unrelenting I almost thought you were a bot. Thank you so very much for your work. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Good morning

If you have a moment could you please review Doron Solomons Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 03:43, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. Looking much better. As I'll go off to bed in a few hours, Good night! Bgwhite (talk) 07:00, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, regarding linking - we are working through them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drkup(IMJ) (talk • contribs) 07:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Simon Egan - Proposed Deletion

Thanks for your review of the page I created yesterday and I'm working to improve the references in this article. My problem here is that whilst the subject of the article is important in his field and probably an appropriate subject for an article (as per the "Perry Brothers" for instance - though that article is very well referenced) he's someone who avoids publicity where he can. My aim is to document his work without invading his privacy - we'll see how we go I suppose.

Regards,

Mike Michael.j.lacey (talk) 09:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I took a look. I added a link in the external links section. This is enough to remove the BLPProd tag. Unfortunately, the article still needs reliable references about him to be kept. If the article was brought up for a deletion discussion, it would not be kept as the article stands now. While I do play the Warhammer video games and admire the sculptures at the local comic book store, I don't know enough to be able to find anymore links, especially with a common name that Egan has. Bgwhite (talk) 07:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Esp as there is another - and better known - Simon Egan. Thanks for your response; I'll be either improving the article or considering deleting it myself.

Michael.j.lacey (talk) 13:14, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Syeda Sughra Imam

Hi again Sir, after a long time, actually I was busy in study, I have wikified Syeda Sughra Imam, check it and tell me if any problem I'll resolve it, thanks.--—Assassin'S Creed ^(talk) 08:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey Assassin... Welcome back. The article looks good. Actually it looks a thousand times better than before. Bgwhite (talk) 00:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Bgwhite, I am trying best and happy for your good response.--—Assassin'S Creed ^(talk) 08:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Nick Ryan

No problem if the article is deleted. In The German the director's name was linked to McLeod's Daughters, a TV series, so I created a Nick Ryan article about the Irish film maker, thãt's all. Regards. Kintaro (talk) 23:05, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Vic Flowers Prod

I noticed you PROD-ded Vic Flowers for deletion. I see that your rationale was that there should be more than one source about him. Well I have just included a source about him so I would like to ask if you would please remove the PROD template from the page as I believe I have fixed the problems you had with the page. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 07:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

With a PROD tag, anyone can remove it if they feel they have addressed the concerns or the PROD tag is not warranted. So, go ahead and remove it if you think it should be removed. Personally, I don't think Mr. Flowers has met the conditions of WP:GNG, specifically "Significant coverage". There are plenty of reliable, independent sources, but the problem is none of them are about him. The new reference you added is only a few sentences, but he is the subject... Thank you for trying to address the the concerns because most people just delete the prod tag.

His material could be merged into the Barmy Army article and his article redirected to Barmy Army. This way, when somebody looks for "Vic Flowers", they will still get his information, but also information on the Army. But, I'm just another editor like you and you know his material better than I. However you proceed, I won't submit the article for deletion. Bgwhite (talk) 07:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for Catching Error

Hi Bgwhite - Thanks for catching the error in the Warren Chaney article. I left a note with Drmies (talk) but wanted to thank you directly. The mistake was mine and I do know better. I'd been working on the article "offline" and moved it to a workspace to check formatting. I "non-thinkingly" saved well before it was ready - meaning to move to a user space. I didn't' catch the error till later and nearly stroked when I did but unfortunately compounded the mistake by saving to "editing" instead of user. What can I say? It was lunacy. I didn't want to compound the mistake more by moving until I'd talked to an editor. Thanks for catching this so quickly. Whew! Best regards, Sinclairindex (talk) 09:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

No problem. The day I don't make a mistake on Wikipedia is the day I'm not editting. Bgwhite (talk) 20:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I would like to contest the actions of a robot - what do I do?

I don't agree that a video artist and a filmmaker are the same thing

(diff | hist) . . mb Category:Israeli video artists‎; 21:57 . . (+1) . . Cydebot (talk | contribs)‎ (Robot - Speedily moving category Israeli Filmakers to Category:Israeli filmmakers per CFDS.) Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 05:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm assuming you are concerned about this edit. It is a "house cleaning" edit and not what you are thinking it does.

You had added Category:Israeli video artists‎ to be a subcategory under "Israeli Filmakers". There is no category "Israeli Filmakers", but there is "Israeli filmmakers". The robot's edit is just fixing a misspelling that you had made. The robot is not deleting or renaming the category that you had created. Bgwhite (talk) 05:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I just made a change to the category. I just removed the category being a subcategory of itself... a child can't be its own parent. Bgwhite (talk) 05:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, here is the other one i did: Israeli conceptual artists, Category:Israeli video artistsDrkup(IMJ) (talk) 11:25, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

entry "Jon Elhai"

I think you indicated that this entry Jon Elhai is an orphan. But there is it is now linked from another entry. I'm not sure if that still qualifies it to have the designation as an orphan.Jfricker111 (talk) 18:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Check my articles in log

Hello Bgwhite, I think you should check my wikified articles in October drive log and tell me whether I wikified good or not. If any article has problem tell me that article and problems, I'll resolve them, I think I should say thanks in advance, so thank you.--—Assassin'S Creed ^(talk) 20:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

They all look good. A couple of articles look ALOT better.

Several of the articles were tagged to be wikified by AWB. This happens alot on the really small articles. AWB's only check is to see if there are enough wikilinks in the article. If you look at the comment section in the article's history, you can see if AWB added the tag or not. In those cases, there is not much to do except add some wikilinks, remove the wikified tag and move on... which is exactly what you were doing. Bgwhite (talk) 23:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey Bgwhite, firstly I really thank you for award and secondly for encouraging me, I am really exited and and I'll try my more best to work more better, thanks. -—Assassin'S Creed ^(talk) 08:36, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

One request for you, that if you have time please check regularly my October drive log daily, and when you found any mistake in any article tell me, I'll be thankful to you for that favor. --—Assassin'S Creed ^(talk) 13:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

James S. Snyder

If you can look this over I would be most appreciative 10:45, 12 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drkup(IMJ) (talk • contribs)

I took a look. Snyder was plastered on the local news when the Museum put the dead sea scrolls on-line. I was thinking that he didn't have an Israeli accent. The technology to make digital copies of the scrolls was developed at a local university, which is one reason why it was in the news for a few days here. Bgwhite (talk) 19:44, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, BTW, where is "here"?Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 20:32, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion

I have declined your speedy deletion request on Jessi Buckeye. The article claims that she won or placed highly in a number of state or national athletic competitions; this is a sufficient claim to pass WP:CSD#A7. However, it doesn't seem like those claims are enough to pass WP:ATHLETE, so it may be appropriate to start an WP:AfD on the article. I'm just going to add some maintenance tags, but it's up to you if you want to try deletion. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:03, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

WVA Governors

Nevermind. Apparently, somebody over-ruled the State Constitution. I assume it was the State Supreme Court. GoodDay (talk) 19:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your efforts at Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Backlogs/Participants and progress. Cloudbound (talk) 21:14, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

The Sisyphus Barnstar

		The Sisyphus Barnstar
		This barnstar has been awarded to you in recognition of your extraordinary achievement of completely clearing out the huge backlog of biography articles without listas parameter. Not only did you wipe it out, but you did so in a manner which was thoughtful, careful, and knowledgeable. Congratulations on your amazing accomplishment! Keeping the category empty will surely be a bit of a Sisyphean task, so have fun with that. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of page Curt Mega

Please help keep this page from being deleted. I have recategorized it to belong in the WikiProject Biographies: Actors and Filmmakers as you noted on the Talk page. Can you ask at least explain if there is anything I can do to keep this from happening? Thank you Mozartchic01 (talk) 18:12, 21 October 2011 (UTC)Mozartchic01

Unreliable ref

Re this edit, can you explain why you feel it's an unreliable reference? I realize people submit information, but that doesn't make it unreliable. Can you link to some discussion on the matter? I couldn't find any at WT:RS.  Frank  |  talk  13:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Long story short, when an article comes up in AfD that has a Who's Who ref, most likely the ref gets erased. There is no one place that says Who's Who is unreliable because there are so many different publishers of Who's Who books. If you do a search on "Who's Who reliable", you will come up with alot of instances of where the discussion states it is not reliable, especially in AfDs. The books are to be treated as self-published sources WP:SPS as people do submit their own information. "Official" policy on using it for nobility at WP:BIO, here and here are good discussions on the matter. Forbes had an interesting article about how anybody gets in Who's Who. Bgwhite (talk) 21:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - those links basically agree with my own understanding of the matter, which is that since it isn't being used to establish notability, there isn't an issue with the veracity of the source. These are largely uncontroversial points being sourced here, and several of them are backed up elsewhere, so I don't see an issue. In addition, there's no AFD on this article, and no reason to have one; the subject is clearly notable, so the links have only peripheral use anyway.  Frank  |  talk  00:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Slow down !

That's a bit fast for tagging it, you don't seem to notice I wrote up the whole thing in one edit, which I labeled as the first half of the article in the summary. It's been LESS than 24 hours before you did the tagging. Slow down, using tags that fast is just plain annoying. Aren't the tags meant to be like asking other editors to help do a job that I am in the middle of (literally) or are they to tell me that I'm only half-finished, which hey, I knew that when I wrote it. Try to use tags in a useful manner that helps anyone at all. please use my page to respond if you like. Penyulap _talk 12:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you look at my edit and see what I actually did. I did ALOT more than just adding a wikify tag. Also, another user came by and did wikify your article. The odds of somebody checking a new biography within 24 hours is extremely high... with WP:NPP and various other tracking categories. If you write a new article, just except somebody checking it soon. Also, there are a ton of articles of editors saying they will return to improve the article and never do. When somebody checks an article, they have to go on what is there and not what might be. Your summary of "saving 1/2" is very cryptic. I suggest when you create a new article, to create it in your Sandbox page and then move it over when you feel it should be moved. This way you can create an article at your leisure and it becomes "live" when you feel it is ready. Bgwhite (talk) 19:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, sorry if I hassled you, seems all good advice. Penyulap _talk 19:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

No problem. My wife, she hassles me. You, not at all. The day I don't make a mistake on Wikipedia is the day I don't edit, so I have no problem with somebody questioning what I've done. Bgwhite (talk) 20:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Guitar Craft

Hi!

Thanks for checking the BLP banner on Guitar Craft. The WikiProject on musicians directs editors to use the BLP project, I believe. It is an article about a community/movement of musicians, so I shall insert a BLPO banner.

Thanks,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Guitar Craft is not a band or musician, so WikiProject Biography doesn't apply. I'm not exactly sure on the BLPO banner, but it can't hurt. Bgwhite (talk) 21:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I added the blpo banner after I removed a lot of forum-like discussion of whether GC be a cult, etc.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Isha Edwards

Your PROD was contested by the article's author, and I have taken it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isha Edwards. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

AWB errors

Both here and here you duplicated the text of the article. Please check your AWB edits more carefully before saving them. Fram (talk) 08:36, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I remember those two. I was only adding persondata, so I don't look at the top of the articles. However, I did click off the orphan tag on those two. I don't normally click off the orphan tag. I'll have to double check the next few times I click off the orphan tag to see if there is a bug or something else going on. Bgwhite (talk) 08:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it can be tricky, AWB. I wouldn't have bothered you if it was a one-off, but two in a row got me worried a bit... Fram (talk) 08:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The same thing is happening on other articles. I've filed a bug report here. Thank you for catching it. Who knows how many more articles this would have happened to before I caught it. Bgwhite (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Bio tags

Thanks for the heads up; I will begin adding that info to the bio tags. Best,--FeanorStar7 (talk) 00:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Richard Mingus Deletion Consideration.

Please see my notes regarding the deletion of this page. Thank you for helping me verify references. I have added some additional ones to improve variety of references. Including first hand interviews on NatGeo.

I'm not new to Wiki's but I am kinda new in getting through the wikipedia adoption policies for new articles. This is a new article and I will continue to enhance it. I would appreciate any feedback on my talk page rather than quickly deleting.

Thanks. Jimerb (talk) 17:27, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of the Rémi Jegaan Dioh article

Hi Bgwhite, thanks for notifying me about your Proposed deletion of the Rémi Jegaan Dioh article. I created the article and added a stub tag to it. I was intending to develop it but because I am sourcing or cleaning up several unsourced articles, I was intending to come back to it. I have added more sources to the article for notability reasons for now. Please check them out and if you are happy you may remove the tag. Thanks Tamsier (talk) 22:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wojciech Nawrocki

FYI, since you were involved in tagging it in the recent past. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 16:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Todd

Hi,

On your proposed deletion of Joseph Todd, I originally endorsed it as it was a pile of crock. But checking the history, it turns out that an IP editor changed the article from being about an Arena Football player. I've reverted back to the football player bio, and slapped on a source. The guy played in the AFL meeting WP:NSPORT. -- Whpq (talk) 14:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for catching the hijack. That was an extremely good catch as those are hard to spot sometimes. Bgwhite (talk) 19:59, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

iTunes as a source

Recently you deleted most of the sources in the article for Shai Linne in the discography section. All of these were links to iTunes pages where the album was being sold, and had the release date. I would like to understand why these links are not valid for being cited. Smt1192 (talk) 19:00, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

itunes links can be seen as promotional... go here to buy my music. Also the release date can be misleading... is it the date it was released on itunes or the album officially released. It is best to use a different type of reference. Also, there are no reliable, independent sources (see WP:SOURCES) in the article. Without them, the article can be deleted. Bgwhite (talk) 20:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Redirects

Hi Bgwhite! Just a helpful little hint – when redirects are not problematic, then there is no need to alter them (as in this edit). See WP:NOTBROKEN for more info. Thanks! SFB 10:26, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I already know. I load up my queue and some articles already get taken care of before I get to them. I don't notice 100% of the ones that get taken care of. 750 new articles came in 3 days when just over 300 normally do, so I've been busier than normal and my queue not going down as fast. If you see a pattern of things I do wrong, please tell me, otherwise assume I'm human and not 100% error free. Bgwhite (talk) 20:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully this should free up your time to deal with the backlog. Thanks for your efforts! SFB 04:03, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi again. Another bit of advice when using AWB for edits like this. Note that persondata dates should either follow the style used in the article or the YYYY-MM-DD format. Your edit replaced a valid date style with a conflicting one. Furthermore in sorting names there are exceptions for those with names like "da Silva" and "van Beethoven" – non-capitalised ones should be listed as "Beethoven, Ludwig van" for example. You're actually introducing errors here so make sure you are confident of why you're making your edits before you save them. Thanks. SFB 20:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect. Please ask questions on why something is done and do not order somebody what to do without understanding why. Sorry, it is a pet peeve of mine.

1) For persondata, DD Month YYYY format or the Month DD, YYYY are the preferred formats. YYYY-MM-DD can be used, but is highly not recommend. There has been much discussion on this because if you just grab persondata, you don't know if it is YYYY-MM-DD or YYYY-DD-MM, DD-MM-YYYY or MM-DD-YYYY. There has been talk of doing tracking categories or bots to fix this. Also this has nothing to do with the preferred format in the article as it doesn't show up to reader... It is for people who do database manipulation and the need to know what format is being used is very important. When I see this while fixing something else, I correct it. I leave it alone if it is the only thing to correct.

2) "Beethoven, Ludwig van" or "Beethoven, Ludwig Van" in the defaultsort value means nothing. To the software this means the same thing. This is not introducing an error nor fixing one. It is AWB doing this and not me manually. Convention has it to capitalize each name element for defaultsort and listas, which is why AWB does it. If you want it fixed, do a bug report with AWB. If I see this as the only "correction" to be made in an article, I skip it. FYI in the example of McDonald. A recent upgrade to Wikimedia software allows the software to recognizes the capital D and sort according. It was supposed to be fixed in the latest SVN of AWB, but wasn't. I did file a bug report and is supposed to be fixed in the next SVN version.

3) If you are talking about "da Silva, Solonei" in the NAME value of persondata, the correct surname is "da Silva" This is something I manually do and not AWB. If AWB was doing it, it would do the same as default sort... da at the end and capitalized.

4) FYI... I see most new biography articles created, which is how I came across Solonei da Silva. You are one of the very few who actually fills in persondata and the talk page, so thank you very much. I fill in persondata and talk page on the new articles. I recently cleared out articles without listas or living parameters filled in under WikiProject Biography. I'm currently doing articles without NAME filled in on Persondata. Bgwhite (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

• I didn't make a single order in my message. I only directed you to the supporting relevant guidelines. Is the idea that YYYY-MM-DD "is highly not recommend" your opinion? The guide at Wikipedia:Persondata purposefully states that "YYYY-MM-DD is also acceptable". Talk page discussion actually yields several editors approving its use, and even arguing for it to be the default. If you wish to deprecate usage of ISO dates, then I suggest that you discuss this first at the Persondata talk page, rather than de facto enforcing it in the mainspace. The guide also says that we should "follow the Manual of Style guidelines on whether to use DD Month YYYY format or the Month DD, YYYY". Thus, it is relevant for persondata dates to match the article's style.
• Persondata names should be as the alphabetized sort is done: thus "Silva, Solonei da", not "da Silva, Solonei".
• Regardless of whether it is AWB automation or manual edits, you retain equal responsibility for your editing. If you know that an AWB bug is making an error in articles, you should simply not save the edit, rather than be complicit in its introduction. I appreciate your work in adding persondata to new articles which do not have it, but I don't really see why you're wasting your time altering already valid information in new articles that do. SFB 15:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

• With words like "Should" and "You're actually introducing errors here so make sure you are confident of why you're making your edits before you save them" Yea, that is ordering and putting another person down.
• Date: Are you being a hypocrite? In Solonei da Silva you have "born 18 April 1982" right at the top. If it had an infobox, it would say the same thing. You are using two different format? Are you not following MOS? Yes you are following mos, because in different sections require different format. For the article, you spell out the date and use the same format (MOS:DATEUNIFY) In the references, use the same style. At the top use another (WP:MOSBD). In persondata it is recommended to spell it out. 90% of articles have this way. On the German side, it is required (this is where persondata originated). I can show you the discussions too. The fact remains, it is recommend and what most already use.
• Name: It never says "should be as the alphabetized sort is done". It says "|NAME= field, in the following format: Family Name, Given Name Middle Names, title" and "When in doubt, format the name according to how you would expect it to be alphabetized." If I leave off al or el in the name field of an Arabic name, I get yelled for it. Why, because it is part of their Family name. You tell me not to do it because persondata says not to. Well persondata says to do it and in doubt do as it is alphabetized because alot of cultures don't have family names. (Iceland, Burma and Malaysia to start).
• I do this because 95%+ of new articles don't include persondata or WikiProject Biography information. I've cleared out tracking categories and would like to keep them cleared out. This one will never be cleared out. This week's signpost has a nice opinion piece on gnome work. I do it because people, including me, are sloppy. Problems start to accumulate and things get worse. I used to do something similar for my real-world job and I enjoy doing it. You like to create new articles. Some say every minor athlete or musician shouldn't need an article and it is wasting time, but you do it anyway because it is something you enjoy. If you see something I'm continually doing that is actually against a policy or is in error, please tell me. I'm not error free. Otherwise, lets part ways and agree to disagree. Bgwhite (talk) 07:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

First of all, I apologise for riling you up and making a big deal out of what is essentially a technical disagreement (god knows this happens to often on Wikipedia!). I'm still a little confused by your logic though.

• • A date clash occurs when both US and British styles are in use (April 18/18 April). Consistent use of one of these styles and then ISO dates in references and persondata is not a clash. Re-read who you linked to at DATEUNIFY. It explicitly states that ISO dates may be used in reference (a fact repeated at the more in-depth description on the Citation style page). You say it is recommended to spell it out in persondata, but where? I see no policy support for this view, where as I have offered multiple instances to the contrary. I've opened a thread to discuss ISO usage.
  • I'm quite surprised that you have doubts about how to sort "da Silva", given that the very test example for using persondata tells us the Portuguese for Magellan should be sorted as "Magalhães, Fernão de". Besides, where you have doubt and there is a pre-existing name entry, wouldn't it be safer to assume that the previous editor sorted correctly (when you yourself admit lack of knowledge of what is correct)?

I'm quite sorry for busting your balls on this and I appreciate your dedication to sorting (I am familiar with such grunt work having removed 1000s from the Ref error cat), but it is one thing to add data and quite another to modify data incorrectly. SFB 17:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Stop putting words in my mouth. You are clearly trying to cause trouble over nothing. Read what I've said.

Your comment at Wikipedia talk:Persondata is aggravating. I clearly stated at the beginning that ISO dates are acceptable.

I never had doubts about how "da Silva" is sorted. I never said that. Please read what I actually said. I said for the NAME value, the regulations say when in doubt use defaultsort. The regs say that NAME value should be "Family Name, Given Name Middle Names, title" and when in doubt use defaultsort. Never, anywhere does it say they should be the same value. "da Silva" is the family name and is used as the family name in the NAME value. I said there are instances where there is no family name, so use the defaultsort value. There are other instances of names that don't fall under standard family name, given name, so use defaultsort as default. The full name should be used as the NAME value. Sometimes Portuguese names are four words, while the title and defaultsort only has two words.

Do what you want with dates as the regs clearly say you can use ISO dates. DO NOT say NAME should not be "da Silva, Solonei", because regs clearly say it should be. I don't go to pages just to do either or both of the two. I went to Solonei da Silva because it had "Sao" as the birthplace and there is no city called Sao. You must create alot of new pages, have I done it on others? If I had, I'm sure you would be after me in a heartbeat. Heck, I'm sure if I touch any article "you own" for whatever reason, you clearly would get after me.

I'm done writing about this because it is clear you never actually read what I've said and your only intention is to cause aggravation. I'm done feeding the troll. Bgwhite (talk) 20:34, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Otters

They wanted to go incognito. (In all seriousness, the "otters edit with me" was always a forced meme, and I thought I was trying too hard with it.) Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Lester Carpenter article

Hello Bgwhite, since you tagged the Leslie L. Carpenter article for orphan status, I hope you can help me with an issue concerning the article. This morning's reporting suggests that the bio citing his full name on which I based the article's title might be incorrect, and his name is actually Lester E. Carpenter -- for example, see the sample ballot at http://www.sos.ms.gov/links/elections/home/tab1/G11 Sample Ballot.pdf. I would like the article moved to my user space to give me time to sort out the facts and make sure the article is correct. Can you do this? Thanks for your time. Cohee (talk) 09:54, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Orphan status just mean that no other Wikipedia article links to it. On the left-hand side of any Wikipedia page, there are a bunch of links. Under "Toolbox", there is a link, "What links here". Clicking on this will show you what other articles link to the article you are currently viewing.

You have a couple of options on Carpenter's article. 1) Put {{db-author}} at the top of the page. This will leave a tag on the article and an administrator will delete the page a few hours later. 2) The better option is for you to work on the page. If you decide to change the title of the article, we can "move" the article to the new title. Give me a yell and I can move it for you. Bgwhite (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! The preponderance of evidence in the news this morning is that his name is Lester Carpenter, so I edited the article to reflect that, and would appreciate your moving it to the new title, Lester Carpenter. I will continue to work on it and get all the facts together today, but this will buy me time to do that while the article reflects the name that's on the ballot. Thank you very much for your help. Cohee (talk) 10:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: priority parameter in WikiProject Biography banners

That's funny, because I've added or edited this banner on hundreds of articles, yet I've always ignored this parameter altogether. (As a matter of principle, I don't add or change priorities on projects of which I'm not a member.) I may have copy-pasted something - in fact, I'm a bit puzzled now, do you have a diff? GregorB (talk) 19:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Talk page in question is Talk:Christopher G. Moore. I've thought I've seen your name around before about this on other talk pages... I try to only alert people who are repeat offenders. Looking at the diffs, you are right. You only added a&e-group. However, the priority value was already set. So, when you added a&e-group with priority already set, the talk page went into a tracking category, which is how I spotted it. This is no biggie... just trying to keep the tracking category clean. Bgwhite (talk) 21:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I've been inserting WG parameters quite a bit, and I guess that such changes push the page into a tracking category when importance parameter is provided too. What would be the proper procedure in such cases? GregorB (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I usually just copy the priority parameter over to the new version... priority=low becomes a&e-priority=low or importance=low becomes sports-priority=low. Bgwhite (talk) 23:06, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay... Will try to remember that, someone has to do it after all. GregorB (talk) 23:29, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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Sorry about that. Now I know how to do them in the future. Thanks.--INeverCry 06:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Karasyova

Dear Sir or Madam, I took the liberty of removing your proposed deletion from the article because a) the original author improved the page b) the subject is very notable in Russia. Thank you. Standard2211 (talk) 03:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Colin Wilson (Scottish footballer)

Hey there, I'm aware of & thankful for the enormous amount of contributions you make but could you please explain the following edit the article isn’t relating to politics. Regards (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 06:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC))

I was being an idiot and copied the wrong one. I copy and paste politician and sports because most are importance=low, the rest of the work groups I type in because it is faster. Bgwhite (talk) 06:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok no problem thanks for clarifying. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 06:58, 16 November 2011 (UTC))

Deleted archive link

With this edit when you removed {{talk header}} you deleted the link to the archives of that talk page as well as the other notices. Why? If you did it accidentally, please be more careful Barsoomian (talk) 13:27, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

DRC names

I have to remember to add DEFAULTSORT to bios. With Georges Minsay Booka, the surname is Minsay, Booka optional. So the sequence is presumably Minsay Booka, Georges although there could be a case for Minsay, Georges. There are hundreds of ethnic groups in the DRC, but most languages are in the broad Bantu family so perhaps names are formed similarly. The general rule seems to be that after European-style first names, the next set of names form the surname. François Joseph Mobutu Nzanga Ngbangawe is called François Mobutu for short. But with Kyamusoke Bamusulanga Nta-Bote, your guess is as good as mine. I doubt if this helps much. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 12:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Notice for speedy deletion Stefan D'Silva

I would be grateful if you could advise on the deabte on this issue.Liannalianna (talk) 08:52, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Help me

Hi dude, please check out my talk page user Appealcourt has tagged Articles for Deletion on some of my pages. I have properly referenced and wrote notable things. And also here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents --—Assassin'S Creed ^(talk) 22:25, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I'm late. I've been without a computer (my old one literally blew up) and had some family matters. Coming into this late, it seems everything is somewhat settled. The other user wanting your autopatrolled rights removed definitely was weird... dormant account coming to life and accusing people of things is not good. However, some of your new articles do have problems.

Automark could be expanded a bit more to make its notability a little more clear.

Araida Corbol appears to have done only one movie. That doesn't make one automatically get a page. My feeling is there needs to be something else to improve her importance. I'd vote delete, but I'd need to dig further to make sure.

For the TV and news journalists, could you add some more references and show their importance. For example, it appears Shahzeb Khanzada is a TV host on a national TV news channel. That would appear to be notable, but it isn't clear from reading the article. Bgwhite (talk) 06:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, I think too that Araida Corbol and Shahzeb Khanzada are not notable but Automark is a notable magazine and a famous magazine in Pakistan about automotive. I am going to try make them notables. --—Assassin'S Creed ^(talk) 07:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the stub clean

TY. FYI, had a couple others go up over last couple days and a couple more to follow. Trying to clean out my sandbox.

Jordan River in Utah is an interesting article. Kudos. Like river articles...

TCO (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)`

"Mc" vs. "Mac"

Thanks for your comments on the alphabetization issue. As you suggested, I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser in hopes of having the matter resolved somehow. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

AWB job

Hi, can you explain me why you removed the reqinfobox template from this talkpage without adding one? mabdul 23:50, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I removed it because that is not the "proper" place. It should go inside the Biography banner. I forgot to add it in there. Bgwhite (talk) 23:52, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed the link you gave came from "secure.wikimedia.org". That has been depreciated and "https://en.wikipedia.org" is the right way now. (Just use https with the regular web address) They made the change a couple of months back. It is much faster than the "secure.wikimedia" way and it is "relative"... meaning if you are using https then a wikilink will also use https. Here is the blog post about it. Bgwhite (talk) 23:56, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

We are now at a point where protocol-relative URL support is stable enough to enable it on all wikis, so today we’ve enabled it. =/= all works great. I stick with secure.wikimedia until they turn it off or whatever. I'm using this since over two years now and it won't get worse. mabdul 00:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I too had been on secure.wikemedia for two or so years. I also remember the problems... slow and would stop working every other week. I haven't experienced one problem with https. I haven't experienced one slow down. https is using the same system as normal http instead of a separate system secure used. Come over to the dark side Luke... Bgwhite (talk) 07:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

AWB citation removal

I'm not really sure why you removed the web citation with this edit? – Elisson • T • C • 09:20, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The web citation I removed was to a blog. Most blogs are not considered a reliable source per WP:BLOGS. Bgwhite (talk) 21:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

1. You probably have no idea about what kind of blog blog.whoa.nu is, I guess? whoa.nu is Sweden's largest hip hip community (even has its own article on the Swedish Wikipedia), and blog.whoa.nu is the blog of the editorial staff of the site, the third most popular music blog in Sweden (and the 32nd most popular proffessional blog, all categories). You shouldn't really go around and just remove references like that without having a clue if they are reliable or not, and without knowing what kind of reference it really is. It says "blog" in the url, yes, but the review could equally well have been located under the main site url whoa.nu.
2. And even if you do remove references because you have a really strong opinion on the matter, you shouldn't just remove them without telling why (in the edit summary or on the article talk page). I actually thought that it was some kind of mistake and if I hadn't been a curious Wikipedian, I'd just have reinserted the reference without ever writing to your talk page.
3. And even if you do remove references and leave a message about why you did so, you should clean up the article after the removal. The article in question had three citations that after your edit pointed to a non-existant reference. Please be more careful with what you do when editing with AWB assistance.

– Elisson • T • C • 06:38, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Mispelings

I have in the past done a bunch of AWB edits, only to discover later that I had some kind of screwy edit summary. So you may not be aware that some of yours misspell "description" and "Persondata". Now, I realize that this may be an intentional display of individualization and quirkiness, in which case please follow the advice of Miss Emily Litella. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:50, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't have that edit summary saved, so I enter it in each time I start AWB. I don't log out often, so I don't start up AWB often. I have one saved that is misspelled that I have to change every time. I'll get off my lazy but and fix it. I'm a notoriously bad speller and bad writer. Bad doesn't even describe it.

I've had my main email address for over 20 years now (Ahh, another I'm getting old reference). The OS I worked on didn't have spell check for email until around '97. I was legendary for how bad an email message could be misspelled. Office mates had a "shrine" on the wall with a copy of my worst misspelled messages. Bgwhite (talk) 06:52, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Peggy Nash

Hi Bgwhite, If Peggy Nash gets elected as the NDP's leader, which means she then becomes the Leader of her Queen's Loyal Opposition, does she then rate a "mid"-level importance rating? I ask, because I think this might actually be a gray area, because unless she served for a while, I would not rate her that high. Compared with the importance level of Robert Stanfield, who was leader of the opposition for approximately nine-years, I think she likely should remain at the low importance level until either a major issue of the magnitude of the 1970 War Measures Act comes along and grips the nation, or she has served for over a year at least. What do you think (about this hypothetical question since she has not won that title yet, and may not)?--Abebenjoe (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I can only speak for the WikiProject Biography banner, but I think my (emphasis on my) reasoning is in the same vain as the other banners. I look at all the politicians in the past and currently to figure their class rating. Leader of a country I usually give a low or mid. Member of a country's assembly or legislature I usually give a low. I'd think the same sort of reasoning would work for other banners.

Nash and Stanfield are completely two different stories. Standfield was Premier of Nova Scotia for 9 years, leader of the Progressive Conservative Party for 9 years and much more. Nash is just starting out in comparison. It comes down to what has a person done. I'm surprised Standfield's WP Canada banner rates him class=low, would think atleast mid. Bgwhite (talk) 06:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I think you have answered my question. I will take another look at Stanfield's article, because I thought he was a mid-level importance person, at least for being premier of a province for two full terms, but also for being Leader of the Opposition for so long and during a turbulent period in Canadian history. Oh well.--Abebenjoe (talk) 17:27, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Isabel Rosado

I changed the "tag" back to living. As incredible as it may sound, Isabel is still alive at 103. Tony the Marine (talk) 15:37, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Then why is there a place of death listed in the main page? Bgwhite (talk) 20:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• Good and valid question. It was a mistake taken from a previous article. I'll remove it. Thanks for the great observation. Tony the Marine (talk) 21:21, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem. As I say... the day I don't make a mistake on Wikipedia is the day I don't edit. Bgwhite (talk) 21:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Momtazuddin Ahmed (dramatist)

hi, now I've added some internal links and categories in the biography Momtazuddin Ahmed (dramatist). is it ok to remove the message from the top of the article (DEFAULTSORT per WP:NAMESORT using AWB (7852))), now? rgrds Zafor2010 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC).

Yes, the article does look much better. There is one minor issue of linking to the Bangla Wikipedia article. I'll fix that. Thank you for updating it. Bgwhite (talk) 09:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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A beer for you!

Thanks for the scan, Bgwhite! I really appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Have a great Christmas

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	Have a wonderful Christmas. As the song says: "I wish you a hopeful Christmas, I wish you a brave new year; All anguish, pain, and sadness Leave your heart and let your road be clear." Pesky (talk …stalk!) 23:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

"Western name order"

You just changed Western to Eastern here. Zsuzsi is here given name. Bináris (talk) 06:18, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Yea, I also moved the page so it would be listed as Mary Zsuzsi. It's going to need an administrator to fix that. Sorry, about this. I was thinking it was already in Eastern order. I've fixed others to western order in the past and I screwed up this time. I'll add the {{Eastern name order}} template on the page... I think alot of people will think this too and hopefully the template helps. I'll also fix the sort orders. Bgwhite (talk) 06:56, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Everything should have been done. Everything should read Zsuzsi Mary now. Bgwhite (talk) 08:48, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Zsuzsa=Susan, Zsuzsi=Susie. Mary is not a Hungarian name. :-) Bináris (talk) 09:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)