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July 31

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July 31, 2019 (2019-07-31) (Wednesday)
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(Posted) RD: Marcel Berlins

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Article: Marcel Berlins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): City University, The Times, The Guardian, The Bookseller
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Columnist for The Guardian and The Times, presenter of BBC Radio 4's Law in Action for 15 years. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose a stub really as all of the lead is (or should be) expanded upon in the main body, I think 1000 characters total for both is insufficient. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 07:50, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Martín Arzola Ortega

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Article: Martín Arzola Ortega (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Occidental
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican drug lord (previously convicted and released) killed in possible cartel infighting. MX (✉ • ✎) 19:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Barrington Pheloung

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Stale. SpencerT•C 01:49, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Barrington Pheloung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Morse and Lewis composer Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Hamza bin Laden

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Stale. SpencerT•C 01:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Hamza bin Laden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Okay so: this is based on US officials stating today July 31 that bin Laden (son of Osama bin Laden) died sometime in the last two years due to US involvement. So there's some iffiness here but if we have NYTimes and BBC reporting on this (among others), its basically the media accepting the US admin's word, which for us , is about the best we can do as well. Article seems in okay shape sourcing-wise to post, but I leave the question if this is confirmation sufficient for RD. Masem (t) 23:15, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support definitely now dead, definitely now in the news, article is packed with proseline which is a shame. Otherwise satis. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 08:14, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Including the 'military' infobox seems wrong. His allegiance(s) never controlled territory during his "service" and was never a recognized military or government. It was at best a paramilitary outfit or, at worst an outstandingly violent gang. Note that members of other paramilitary outfits, even if those outfits are associated with actual real and recognized states, are not tagged as 'military' (e.g. Thomas Begley or Velupillai Prabhakaran). Even worse, half the information in the infobox is speculative ("rumoured") or inexact ("2010s"), and problems with this have been present for some time, according to the talk page.130.233.2.171 (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Oppose – From what I've seen his death hasn't been definitively confirmed by an independent source. – Sca (talk) 13:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe not, maybe never. But we still shouldn't promote unverified claims. Besides, this guy – purportedly killed "in the last two years" (BBC) – wasn't as significant as his father. – Sca (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree that his death is not definitive enough to post yet (see my post below), his significance relative to his father is irrelevant. Anyone with an article is eligible for an RD post if their death is confirmed. See the boilerplate text in the nomination.—Bagumba (talk) 16:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Quality meets RD standards." There is no such thing as RD standards in re quality. RDs must meet the same quality standards of any ITN nom. The significance standard is the one that has been reduced. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:59, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article is reasonably comprehensive and adequately sourced. Those are the standards I go by. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Hal Prince

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Article: Harold Prince (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Long-standing and awarded Broadway director/producer. Unfortunately article is floating in a sea of CN tags. Masem (t) 16:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: V. G. Siddhartha

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Article: V. G. Siddhartha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindu
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing. Dead body found on 31 July DBigXrayᗙ 06:12, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Fixed Thanks all for the constructive comments. I have done an extensive rework on the article to fix the issues pointed above. Please take a relook. --DBigXrayᗙ 11:07, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  Fixed User:Jayron32, I have removed the unsourced section.--DBigXrayᗙ 16:21, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 30

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July 30, 2019 (2019-07-30) (Tuesday)
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  • Federal agents have joined the investigation of a fire that destroys a 125 year-old landmark Catholic Church of the Visitation in Westphalia, Texas. After storms destroyed two earlier church structures in the 1880s, the Church of Visitation was completed in February of 1895 and dedicated on May 23, 1895. (Catholic News Agency)

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  • At least 18 people, including thirteen civilians and five crew members, are killed and 12 others injured after a small military plane crashes into a residential area near the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi. (BBC News)
  • Eleven deaths and multiple hospitalizations are attributed to the ongoing heat wave in Japan. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Malcolm Nash

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Article: Malcolm Nash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing. DBigXrayᗙ 09:18, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose a couple of unreferenced claims, tone might need addressing (I already removed "unfortunate" but think "victim" could use rewording too, for example). The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 09:25, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  Fixed the sourcing issues. User:The Rambling Man do you have a better alternative? I feel victim is appropriate here. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've rephrased, see what you think. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 19:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot Amakuru for your help here.--DBigXrayᗙ 11:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I see that unfortunately the last entries on the list are already deaths from 31 July, so technically this has dropped off. But maybe a kindly admin will agree to WP:IAR and post this anyway, since it has seemingly sat for three days without anyone attending to it?!  — Amakuru (talk) 11:35, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru, indeed. Hoping that this gets its place at ITN--DBigXrayᗙ 12:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Abdullah of Pahang

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(non-admin closure) Consensus that article in current state is not ready. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 12:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Abdullah of Pahang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sultan Abdullah of Pahang is installed as the new King of Malaysia (Post)
News source(s): [2] [3] [4]
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
 Banedon (talk) 02:13, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article's also very different from what it was like in January. I actually wonder how this nomination would've turned out if I just deleted the orange tag before nominating it, but I'm not going to do that. Banedon (talk) 20:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure at least one reviewer would have noted that various whole paragraphs are without reference and that the page is (without any attention to notability) is completely unsuitable for the main page. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 05:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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July 29

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(Closed) RD: Grant Thompson

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(non-admin closure) No chance of anything but WP:SNOW 107.190.33.254 (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: The King of Random (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Count Iblis (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mathias J. DeVito

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Article: Mathias J. DeVito (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Baltimore Sun
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on July 24, 2019 but was not reported until July 29, 2019. Thsmi002 (talk) 01:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Prison riot in Altamira

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Article: 2019 Altamira prison riot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 57 people are killed, including 16 decapitated, during a prison riot in Altamira, Pará, Brazil. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP
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Article updated

 Viva Nicolás (talk) 05:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I've created the page; also, replaced TeleSur as source with BBC, since TeleSur is deprecated. And, support. Kingsif (talk) 12:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Article is still a little sparse so far for me; I'd also like to see some additional sources besides just 1. The BBC is a high-quality source, but we should also include perspectives from other high-quality sources. Some expansion would go a long way towards shifting my vote to support. --Jayron32 12:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Support per expansion noted below. Meets every requirement: prominent news story, sufficient quality article. --Jayron32 15:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded, getting in the BBC to start the article was, well, the start. Kingsif (talk) 12:44, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Sketchy for such a large death toll. Also note that AP (added as source above) says 55 died in prison riots in the neighboring state of Amazonas two months ago. – Sca (talk) 14:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • To add to this comment (and reply for the !opposes below) that was 4 prisons total death toll. They just all happened to riot on the same day, and Amazonas as a state has much greater gang violence and drug feuds. Kingsif (talk) 15:19, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I was going to post this when I saw it, but then I read there was a similar riot only a few months back that had even a larger death toll, and most article say that these are commonplace in Brazil due to overcrowding. --Masem (t)
  • As above, there were 4 riots, just all within the same two days, across 4 prisons. None of them had a death toll higher than 25, and Amazonas state has much more gang/drug violence than Pará. In any case, this is in the mainstream news in the West, but the riots in May weren't. Kingsif (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on significance per Masem.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Death-tolls as high as this one in Brazil are still rare. The fact that one happened a few months back doesn't take merit of this one. This highlights Brazil's growing gang problem inside prisons, as well as overcrowding. More should be added on what gangs participated, but this in itself is an extremely notable occurrence. 16 decapitated? This wasn't just another mass murder. MX (✉ • ✎) 15:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose: Event seems notable but article has only references the same 4 sources.  Nixinova  T  C  06:21, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
and that's relevant for? Kingsif (talk) 10:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Four distinct sources seems pretty good for an article of this size. --Jayron32 13:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Old Town Road

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There is no consensus to list this on ITN at this time, and there seems no prospect of such consensus emerging.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:47, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Old Town Road (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Lil Nas X and Billy Ray Cyrus' "Old Town Road" becomes the longest running number-one song on the Billboard Hot 100 at 17 weeks (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ "Old Town Road" by Lil Nas X featuring Billy Ray Cyrus becomes the longest running number-one song on the Billboard Hot 100 at 17 weeks
News source(s): Billboard
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Nominator's comments: The last time this sort of record was broken was 20 years ago. Though this is a US chart, it's still huge for the music industry. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 18:45, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Aye. I haven't heard this song, nor any other "big" song since "Wild Dances", nor a big movie since Iron Man 2 (not counting snippets). But even I appreciate Billboard as one of "those things", like Taylor Swift or Brett Kavanaugh or Ramadan. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Entertainment trivia. No real significance. (and FTR I opposed the Avengers blurb for the same reason.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Avengers; media is news, other records (that get broken more often!) get posted. Kingsif (talk) 22:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I really think we have to be careful with superlative records involving contemporary cultures as these are records that are meant to be broke. (In contrast, I do recall us posting art auction records, including an auction for Action Comics #1 (see [5]) but this are works of historic importance. Newer works like the Avengers and this song don't have the historical context to know if these records are important. Again, I think we really could use a DYK approach to these records, where it would be a much better fit. --Masem (t) 22:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose sub-trivia. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 22:59, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Trivia with no global significance.--SirEdimon (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Solid article and it's a 13-year-old record being broke. ITN can't be all doom, gloom and Eurovision. Calidum 23:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose too regional - according to the Billboard Hot 100 article, it's only for the US. Banedon (talk) 03:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support– longstanding record broken and notable within the music industry. Article is well-written and worth showcasing. This only relating to the US billboard is irrelevant: "please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one." ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Trivia, and there's no need to perpetuate WP:BIAS by putting events of unknown relevance in the spotlight. This could maybe go at DYK. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 03:51, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – notable record among readers with a passing interest in entertainment, rarely broken à la Avengers: Endgame becoming the highest grossing film of all time, which was posted recently in ITN. If you set precedents, expect to have them followed. Can't just be one-offs for the sake of one-offs – that's how you destroy consistency and reliability. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 04:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There was never a clear consensus to post Avengers and bad decisions should not be treated as precedent. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:51, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support No disrespect intended, but there *was* consensus to post Avengers as judged by the project's duly appointed arbiter. *You* opposed it (as did I), and *you* believe it failed to reach consensus. There are forums to discuss (and sanction) admins that behave poorly, but it is misleading and damaging to the project to characterize an admin's reasonable actions as a "bad decisions" just because you disagree with them. Separately but similarly, we should only reject precedent if it deemed inappropriate by consensus. The problem being that (as PTG notes above) we DID post the Avengers story, and to not post this would be conspicuously inconsistent, especially considering the racial factors involved (such as the treatment this act has received from Billboard[6] and our esteemed colleague CaradhrasAiguo). GreatCaesarsGhost 19:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I want to say that Ad O'd point here is that while Avengers had consensus to post, it didn't have the type of support to create a mandate that similar records, like this one, should be considered "important" for ITN posting. The fact this is still very much split reiterates that we don't have a clear mandate from the Avengers, and instead should consider this on the merits only of this one. --Masem (t) 19:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Avengers was a global record wasn't it? This is just one list, and according to the article [7] there are quite a few more? Banedon (talk) 05:11, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If it was a metal or techno song, Europe would matter, but country and rap are run from America. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You know as well as anyone here that consensus is based on strength of arguments and not on a simple vote count.--WaltCip (talk) 15:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Walt, consensus is composed of several factors, among which opinion exhibited by the number of votes is arguably the most consequential. – Sca (talk) 21:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: FTR the above comment has been modified following various discussions. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @ CaradhrasAiguo. That is offensive and unacceptable. I strongly advise you to strike or otherwise modify your comment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @CaradhrasAiguo: Your comments show your lack of awareness of the significance that the Billboard charts hold in the music industry and the video you linked is a weak attempt to discredit rap as an entire genre. Though I doubt you will, I suggest you strike your comment. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 22:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And a new Pope being chosen is only important next to a Christian couple cranking another one out. We have to wait and see each time. But if that kid grows up to be a Pope, we wouldn't wait 17 extra weeks to be sure, so religion's still huger. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not even going to pretend I have any idea what you're trying to say. --PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already? 21:36, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(Hint: I think it's an analogy). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]
Quit digging my hole, bro! Replace Pope with anyone destined for cultural greatness. All origins are humble. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Face palm. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Unlikely this one would make 17 weeks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Collar pull. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What he ^^^ said. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The real story here is not the plain number of weeks on the chart, but that fact that the sales run of the same song has been perpetuated by slightly different versions, even including different artists? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Vitthal Radadiya

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Article: Vitthal Radadiya (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing. 5 times Member of State Assembly and twice Member of National Parliament. DBigXrayᗙ 13:31, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop refactoring my indents. A five time Member of legislative assembly and 2 times National Parliamentarian is notable since he passes WP:NPOLITICIAN. As I noted above this is not a valid issue and you have still failed to point me to the policy that calls it an issue. --DBigXrayᗙ 06:30, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I'll give you a Very weak support, final answer.  Nixinova  T  C  07:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose(Changed to support below) In addition to the above (which should probably be moved to "Career"), some terminology ("in the range", "surrendered to"), odd use of punctuation and perhaps missing articles creates some confusion. Perhaps some of these are common in India or elsewhere, but for the sake of clarity they should be explained or revised.130.233.2.171 (talk) 08:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  Fixed Controversy moved as suggested. Other issues pointed above also fixed. Please take a relook. --DBigXrayᗙ 08:44, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  Fixed User:GreatCaesarsGhost, the dead have been resurrected Please review again.--DBigXrayᗙ 05:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kind feedback. The issues posted by oppose votes have been fixed. Article meets the criteria. With 3 W. S. I think this can now be posted. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:41, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marking ready. It looks like every issue mentioned has been addressed. It will be up to the posting admin if the weak support justifies passing it over. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 04:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Short article (1590 bytes of prose). More importantly missing any description of achievements or values as a politician, which should be a minimum for RD (as opposed to just DYK). Current size is buoyed by seemingly trivial gun "controversy" and WP:NOTDIARY-ish prose about marrying off his widowed daughter-in-law.—Bagumba (talk) 04:49, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Bagumba it seems you also have some different standards of what can be in ITN RD, than what the community consensus shows. Please check the ITN RD once more. regarding his daughter in laws marriage, it was something that was a major news about the subject. Perhaps you would have been able to appreciate it more had you been more familiar with Indian customs and traditions. So I dont blame you for that. --DBigXrayᗙ 14:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DBigXray: WP:ITNRD says the article should have sufficient quality to be posted on the main page I don't believe it does. Also, it would be less important whether a line or two was trivial or not if there was just more substance on his political views. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Bagumba 1. What you are calling Trivial (based on your personal opinion), is not trivial in India. 2. Article isn't stub class. Stub class cannot be promoted to main page. 3. I am sure this article has lot of room for improvement before it can reach GA status. but this is not a GA review, we are checking if the article is largely problem free. --DBigXrayᗙ 09:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's a straw man argument, as I have not asked for GA status. I do appreciate the improvement that you have made to this page (and many others). Realize that I am only one !vote, and ultimately it's up to somone else to determine consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 09:16, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
yes, my point is that the ITN RD does not require the bio to have complete info on every aspect of his life. The article does include useful info on his career. I do value every comment on my nominations and try to include every suggestion into the article. Thanks for reviewing the article. --DBigXrayᗙ 09:39, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 28

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July 28, 2019 (2019-07-28) (Sunday)
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(Posted) RD: Loek van Mil

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Article: Loek van Mil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. Tallest Baseball player. DBigXrayᗙ 05:56, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Fixed the issues pointed by Amakuru and SirEdimon.--DBigXrayᗙ 11:16, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Tour de France

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Article: 2019 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Egan Bernal (pictured) wins the 2019 Tour de France, becoming the first Colombian to do so. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cycling, Egan Bernal (pictured) wins the Tour de France
Alternative blurb II: ​ In cycling, Colombian Egan Bernal (pictured) wins the 2019 Tour de France, becoming the first Latin American to do so.
News source(s): The Guardian
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Obvious major sports event 107.190.33.254 (talk) 19:22, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hwung Hwung-hweng

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Article: Hwung Hwung-hweng (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): United Daily News (original version in traditional Chinese)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start class article, decent sourcing, no tags --BoothSiftTalks 06:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Samprada Singh

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(non-admin closure)No support for posting article in current state. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 22:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Samprada Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
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Nominator's comments: Start class article, decent sourcing, no tags BoothSiftTalks 06:08, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jaipal Reddy

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Article: Jaipal Reddy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start class article with good sourcing. DBigXrayᗙ 05:15, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Working on it--DBigXrayᗙ 05:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  Fixed Ad Orientem, I have fixed all these issues, please take a relook.--DBigXrayᗙ 07:06, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks filelakeshoe, can someone give the credits. --DBigXrayᗙ 04:57, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done by User:Stephen--DBigXrayᗙ 05:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Carlos Cruz-Diez

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No point in discussing this until copyvio issue has been resolved.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Carlos Cruz-Diez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ReutersAssociated PressEl Pitazo
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Venezuelan artist, known for the design of Caracas International Airport's murals, among other works. Jamez42 (talk) 13:25, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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July 27

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July 27, 2019 (2019-07-27) (Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Law and crime
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(Posted) RD: Keith Lincoln

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Article: Keith Lincoln (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: MVP of 1963 American Football League Championship Game and five-time AFL All-Star. —Bagumba (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Andrew Golden

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Article: Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYPost
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Please note that we're only looking at Golden's death here. A few small sourcing issues in the article. Masem (t) 04:16, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose inadequate sourcing. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 06:36, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as more confusing than enlightening for a naïve reader. Presumably, the RD entry will read only "Andrew Golden", but the link will send a reader to a page named "Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden" (an oddity in itself that a BLP would feature more than one person), and what's more, that page is in actuality a re-direct for an article "Jonseboro massacre". Indeed, it seems that this article _was_ the article for the event, and was re-named for the perpetrators. This is all rather odd. If the person (singular) is important enough to warrant an article, then that article should be named for (only) them. It an event is important enough to warrant an article, then it should be named for the event itself. All this for a WP:1E. Split the article to into separate Johnson/Golden BLPs, re-establish an event article for Jonseboro Massacre, clean up referencing.130.233.2.171 (talk) 13:15, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Per WP:ITNRD "Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis.". This qualifies, though of course quality still needs to be there. --Masem (t) 13:40, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • So, when was it decided that "this qualifies", since these are decided on a case-by-case basis? The 1 sentence update is anachronistically placed into the "Background" section. The table for the victims has been deleted. At some points it's hard to keep track of whether Golden or Johnson is the subject. It's just a mess. It would be just easier to re-name the nominated article to "Jonseboro Massacre" and split off the details about Golden to an actual BLP.130.233.2.171 (talk) 13:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • Your quality concerns are 100% valid, and should not be dismissed by closer. I'm just pointing out that asking for Golden to be split off to a separate article is not required for this to be nominated as RD. --Masem (t) 14:02, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Russi Taylor

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Article: Russi Taylor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Voice behind Minnie Mouse and Martin Prince on The Simpsons Johndavies837 (talk) 01:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 26

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July 26, 2019 (2019-07-26) (Friday)
Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

(Posted) RD: Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino

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Article: Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Catholic News Agency, The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Cardinal of the Catholic Church, former archbishop of Havana. Helped re-establish diplomatic relations between the U.S. and Cuba. Article should be adequately referenced. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 14:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bryan Magee

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Article: Bryan Magee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph, La Repubblica, Platea Magazine
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Notable British popularizer of philosophy --Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Graham Freudenberg

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Article: Graham Freudenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Financial Review
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 25

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July 25, 2019 (2019-07-25) (Thursday)
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(Posted) RD: Cathy Inglese

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Article: Cathy Inglese (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston.com, USA Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Longtime women's college basketball head coach in NCAA Division I. Dmoore5556 (talk) 15:48, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, many unreferenced claims in the "collegiate coaching" section as well as the entire "honors" section. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it.... Dmoore5556 (talk) 23:19, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page has now been updated, with additional sourcing; please take another look, thanks. @Filelakeshoe: Dmoore5556 (talk) 00:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD Blurb: Beji Caid Essebsi

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Article: Beji Caid Essebsi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President of Tunisia Beji Caid Essebsi (pictured) dies aged 92. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After incumbent Beji Caid Essebsi (pictured) dies aged 92, Mohamed Ennaceur takes office as interim President of Tunisia.
News source(s): Le Monde Le Figaro AFP BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Incumbent executive head of state died. Self-evident ITN (the death is news in and of itself). Varavour (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now it seems the new current living president might better have the bold link and photo, but I won't press it. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 24

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July 24, 2019 (2019-07-24) (Wednesday)
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(Posted) RD: Neil Davey

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Article: Neil Davey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Father of decimal currency in Australia. Article isn't the best, but is reasonably well-sourced and comprehensive. Added the news of his death a few minutes ago. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:07, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) European heat wave

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Despite my own reservations about this, there's clean consensus to post and article is ready. Closing to stop bickering arguments. --Masem (t) 20:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: July 2019 European heat wave (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a European heat wave, national all-time temperature records are broken in the United Kingdom, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Although currently a stub, this likely needs a single article (with the relevant section) rather than splitting, the bulk is currently at June 2019 European heat wave. Brandmeistertalk 15:10, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Technically correct, but potentially misleading in context without specifying "Indo-Pakistani". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:23, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ONGOING. Well referenced. Good enough to go... but ongoing. MSN12102001 (talk) 16:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support for ongoing I'm not sure there's a great blurb to be had here; it's not really a single incident, but an ongoing problem. Support is weak because the article is only barely over the quality threshold; it could use some real expansion. --Jayron32 16:58, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. The breaking of national temperature records in multiple major countries/cities is a big deal. The heat wave is about to be over, making it inappropriate for ongoing. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:04, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The record heat isn't in Europe, Paris, Germany and the rest, just a handful of stations. Misleadingly framed. Still pretty hot over a legitimate large area, but this is the middle of summer. Not weird. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's in all of Germany, Belgium and Netherlands because those are the countries who's all time records were broken. UK was a few decicelsiuses from its record (101F). Paris reached 109, 4F higher than it's ever been, tying the hottest Tehran has ever been (43C) and exceeding Atlanta (nickname: Hotlanta) which is incrèibe. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The weather doesn't recognize man-made borders, and neither should we so long as it remains a pure weather report. When governments take action, then arbitrary grouping matters. For now, the majority of Germans, Belgians, Dutch and French are roughly as warm as last month, next week or the other July. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:19, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Europe isn't one country. This has hit national records in Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands. I'm sure if we hit an all-time high in the US, everyone would be going wild for it. Instead, we have three national records. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 20:04, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The US record is the world record, along with the Kuwait record and the Iran record. So breaking it would be a world record unless another country beats it first. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh well that would make it just fine then, and renders these national records irrelevant of course. USA! The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 20:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Size matters. A hot pocket will always cross more national lines in Europe. Draw a triangle between the record towns, paste it anywhere in the US, crank it to 42 and Death Valley still retains. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:47, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Germany is a world power and France is almost as capital-centric as Egypt. Even Japan, China, Russia, Brazil, Canada, Israel, Australia, South Africa, Spain, Turkey, maybe Italy and S. Korea aren't as most important city centered as France. Benegerm has 0.1 billion people (3 Canadas). I'm pretty sure this is the Germanophone record too, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, South Tyrol and the tiny autonomous region of Belgium for the |French|Dutch|>German<| speakers that everyone seems to not know of can't touch this. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Edinburgh in Scotland broke its all time high too, do you count that as expanding the polygon of towns? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:30, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, lass. It's hip to be square. How big does that make it? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
109F in Bordeaux on the cold Canary Current not that far from Spain and Sion in Switzerland and tens of stations reached their all time highs by the day before the hottest. The blog I follow hasn't updated the hottest day yet but it does say the heat wave will move to Scandinavia tomorrow and help melt sea ice after that so the polygon might expand later. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Are we still talking national records? Station highs don't count. Areawise, I mean. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:51, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What happened in Edinburgh stayed in Edinburgh, so screw that rhombus, retroactively. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:59, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, Cambridge Botanic Garden said hold my beer and broke the UK record just for you. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Paris was 109 today, 4.0F hotter than it's ever been. That's not easy when you've got c.2 centuries of records. Also I find it amazing that Paris can get hotter than Tehran in the Iranian desert. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It was one spot in Paris, for a moment or so, and now nothing has changed beyond cooling down. Same thing happens in Parisian kitchens and saunas every day, even all night. Except hotter than outdoor Iran. No human can tell 105 from 109, anyway, even if any were there at the time. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:23, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Tehran weather station is one spot in Tehran too, for a moment or so. Saunas aren't weather, not even volcanos. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The important thing is they were both brief, very sparsely attended and left no mark on society or geology. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Global warming, which is undeniable, is a symptom of a deeper problem: overpopulation. The human population of Earth has more than tripled during my lifetime. – Sca (talk) 14:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I was in Northern France today and the thermometer in my car hit 42 at one point. Astounding enough, but I don't think this really qualifies for ITN status. We're not a news ticker and the precedent of not posting the US one means there's little reason to post this one.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:48, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A multinational severe weather event where all-time records are broken is notable. It is not normal for Germany to be hotter than Turkmenistan.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 23:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
109 near the North Netherlands thus breaking the German record by 4.2F, holy shit. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's hotter than it's expected to get in Aleppo, Syria all week, and about as hot as Baghdad will be. I'm left speechless; central Europe is as hot as (and in some places hotter than) the heart of the Middle East. For all-time records to be broken in such a large region is notable enough, but putting it into perspective makes it even more exceptional.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 23:42, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Those are the kidneys of the Middle East. The heart is in Jerusalem. The brain is in a jar in Alexandria. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Love the humor, but while we're talking about Jerusalem and Alexandria, Europe's much hotter than either of them by a decent margin (and Alexandria is expected to have highs in the 90s F this week).  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 00:40, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I meant Alexandria, Virginia, for what it's worth. Turns out it still works. High of 94, isolated thunderstorms. In both versions, it's 26 C and partly cloudy right now. Really makes you think... InedibleHulk (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Rutger Hauer

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Article: Rutger Hauer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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 The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 17:30, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, Ladyhawke isn't a good movie. Just starred three bonafide stars. And three British thespians. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:06, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done, unless undone when you read this. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margaret Fulton

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Article: Margaret Fulton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: C Class article with good sourcing. DBigXrayᗙ 17:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 23

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July 23, 2019 (2019-07-23) (Tuesday)
International relations
Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Chaser

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Article: Chaser (dog) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Dog with the world's largest tested vocabulary (over a thousand nouns) dies at age 15. Article is in good shape. Davey2116 (talk) 19:48, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ruth Gotlieb

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Article: Ruth Gotlieb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/114434037/longserving-wellington-politician-ruth-gotlieb-dies-aged-96
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Fully referenced and has a couple of images MurielMary (talk) 23:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why this hasn't been posted yet while others in the queue have been? User:Stephen or User:Mjroots could you take look, TIA. MurielMary (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, was working my way down the page and just got this posted now. Best, SpencerT•C 21:53, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maxim Dadashev

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Article: Maxim Dadashev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with decent sourcing. A Russian boxer. DBigXrayᗙ 05:58, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is a cn tg on the article. So, it's not good to go.--SirEdimon (talk) 06:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SirEdimon now   Fixed--DBigXrayᗙ 06:51, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. It seems fine now. Support.--SirEdimon (talk) 07:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
done.--DBigXrayᗙ 05:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Lois Wille

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Stale, unimproved, no consensus. Stephen 03:49, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lois Wille (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun
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Nominator's comments: It looks fine to me. She was a Pulitzer Prize winning author. BoothSiftTalks 05:20, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Neil Armstrong died as result of medical errors

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No consensus will form to post this. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 06:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Neil Armstrong (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Neil Armstrong died as result of medical errors (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
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(Closed) RD: Li Peng

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Stale, unimproved. Stephen 03:49, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Li Peng (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Li Peng dies at the age of 90 at 23:11 July 22 in a hospital in Beijing despite treatment. He was the 4th Premier of the State Council of People's Republic of China from 1988 to 1998. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former Chinese Premier Li Peng (pictured) dies at the age of 90.
News source(s): Xinhua(en1, en2, State Obituary) SCMP Reuters, AP, BBC Google News Search
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 viztor ✦ 11:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The paramount leader was Jiang Zemin at that point. Li Peng was never the leader of China per se, because the core positions are General Secretary, Chairman of the Central Military Commission, and more recently also President of China, of which Jiang had 3 of 3 when Deng died (Deng only ever held 1). Jiang took over in 1989–90, but was sort of in Deng's shadow for much of the 90s. Hope that clears things up a little. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 21:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Boris Johnson is Prime Minister

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Articles: Boris Johnson (talk · history · tag) and 2019 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Boris Johnson (pictured) succeeds Theresa May as leader of the Conservative Party and becomes Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ British politician Boris Johnson wins the election for the leadership of the Conservative Party and is expected to become the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Alternative blurb II: ​ Boris Johnson (pictured) is elected leader of the Conservative Party and becomes Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
News source(s): BBC, AP
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 Davey2116 (talk) 11:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • support - ready to go.BabbaQ (talk) 11:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The is an obvious ITN story, but he won't become prime minister until later this week. The blurb needs work to reflect this. I haven't assessed the update to the article. Modest Genius talk 11:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait til he actually becomes PM, which I believe will be tomorrow. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but, if others prefer, we can wait until they actually become the Prime Minister.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 11:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Added alt blurb, as I had a nomination ready to go and got edit conflicted... :-) My nomination comment was "May be too early to put this up, as the intended sequence of events is that the result of the Tory leadership contest is announced today (Boris Johnson won this as expected), and the current prime minister (Theresa May) will tender her resignation to the Queen tomorrow afternoon (on Wednesday, after her last Prime Minister's Questions) followed by the Queen inviting Boris Johnson to form a government. Things could get tricky after that, but that should be what happens. Can either go up now (with this blurb), or we can wait until Wednesday (and work on alternative blurbs). I was going to suggest some alternatives, but there are quite a number of ways this could be presented, depending on the timing." Carcharoth (talk) 11:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until he takes office as Prime Minister. Right now he's just the leader of a party. --PlasmaTwa2 11:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Premature as he is not actually PM yet. 331dot (talk) 11:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until he actually becomes PM (probably tomorrow, 24 July), then support. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support by tomorrow - technically premature but it's a fairly safe assumption that by the time this is posted (like tomorrow) this will be definitive ITN. If something else happens it will probably be ITN-worthy anyway. Juxlos (talk) 11:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ETA: sorry, safe to say he's going to be PM, but tomorrow is fine --valereee (talk) 11:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee Can you offer a reason for your support? 331dot (talk) 11:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And we are indeed already getting questions in weird places wondering why he isn't on the main page yet. --valereee (talk) 17:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is no likely way, but there are plenty of credible ways. What if a substantial number of Con MPs say, today, that they will not take the whip under him? .... etc. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Would be interesting! This would presumably cause the Conservative Party to split, and Corbyn could end up PM, if he was able to secure the confidence of the Commons (perhaps the Lib Dems or SNP would be interested in playing kingmaker). (This is also why it's very unlikely, because the rebelling Tories would be giving up their own power, and endangering their jobs in the next election.) Her Majesty could also refuse to recognize him as her principal minister, triggering a constitutional crisis. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 07:32, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion borders on Boorish. – Sca (talk) 13:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment From the vote and reason count, it seems quite obvious this is going to get posted tomorrow, so we can probably stop debating (especially since some of the comments effectively or literally say "being elected leader of a party doesn't mean he'll become PM" despite the fact this was already agreed upon/planned when May resigned - the leadership debates were called "Our Next PM"!). He wasn't elected to the role of PM, so we can't follow the procedure of posting election news beyond being elected Tory leader; which we shouldn't post because it isn't as significant as the PM appointment he gets tomorrow. Let's just wait for it to be posted. Kingsif (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Kingsif: The point is that being made PM is not automatic. It is probable he will be PM but no more than that. Every previous time the government has changed leader between elections there was no doubt the new leader would be the only one would command a majority in the Commons, but with Boris Johnson there is doubt. Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Unless they all walk out in the next, what, 2 hours? he'll be PM. Sure, a majority of the Commons don't like him, but they probably don't want to go through another general election (or strike) at the moment, either. Kingsif (talk) 14:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: The article on this nutcase is B-class with many sources and no CN or orange tags. His designation as PM is easily citeable from multiple sources. pbp 14:10, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait: Obvious ITN. Johnson's article is fine, but in the party article, the timeline needs to be sources throughout (probably can dup/reuse sources). However, its fine just to post with Johnson's article as the target since that covers the essentials. Agree with most others that tomorrow when he actually takes office is the right time to post, since it's not like several months down the road. --Masem (t) 14:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post now (when ready) then update the text after he is officially PM Calidum 14:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Premature nomination. Becoming head of a party isn't ITN/R. Wait until he's PM. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and wait the words "expected" is definitely crystal ball gazing - if (also crystal) the MPs who have said they might defect to lib dems (if Boris got the leadership of the conservative party) do so, then the conservative party would not have a sufficient majority in the house of parliament to form a government and theresa may might even remain in office! So until it's a change of leadership of a country (which is not yet confirmed) it might not even count as significant enough for front page. Obviously once he's PM (which is still more likely than not) that changes to support EdwardLane (talk) 14:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once he's actually appointed PM. Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 14:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, so many news stories about government and horror have put me off WPITN in a way, but this is a story about a man with a multitude of awful haircuts. Every morning Boris gets up and looks in the mirror, he says to himself the same thing he is saying to himself in the accompanying picture, above, are you serious? You cannot be serious, but indeed he is... ~ R.T.G 15:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose What happened to policy? Until it actually happens it doesn't warrant posting based on presumption. Trillfendi (talk) 16:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose on article quality. Support on principle once it happens. The article on the Tory succession battle has some gaps in referencing, especially in the timeline section. The BLP looks solid and well referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when it happens Boris has yet to actually become prime minister, let's wait until he does. --BoothSiftTalks 05:22, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support around early afternoon today when he actually becomes PM. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 07:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after he has been appointed prime minister by the Queen this afternoon 24 July , 2019. AbDaryaee (talk) 08:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment !voted for wait earlier, but dare I say it's evident further debate on this is unnecessary. We're quite close to a consensus for posting after he becomes PM or, at the very least, we certainly don't have a consensus to post earlier. Let's mark this as ready...for the moment at least when he is appointed. 88.215.17.228 (talk) 10:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It's official. Kingsif (talk) 14:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hit the music! InedibleHulk (talk) 14:40, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So close! InedibleHulk (talk) 15:57, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Christopher C. Kraft Jr.

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Article: Christopher C. Kraft Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Houston Chronicle
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Featured article Kees08 (Talk) 05:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 22

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July 22, 2019 (2019-07-22) (Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy
  • Due to declining sales, American retailer GNC announces it will close between 700 and 900 stores. (USA Today)

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Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Brigitte Kronauer

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Article: Brigitte Kronauer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit and others
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Novelist who was awarded Germany's most prestigious literary prize. I expanded a stub here. There's much more in sources and in German, but I am too tired for more right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Hamm

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Article: Peter Hamm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR and many others
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Poet and literary critic who made TV documentaries. There was no article in English until today. If someone wants to find references for things on de but not en: most welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Hedison

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Article: David Hedison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with decent sourcing. News of death became public on 22 July, even though he died on 18. DBigXrayᗙ 06:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SirEdimon thanks for the review. Please take a relook, I have added the sources. --DBigXrayᗙ 05:33, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support All issues resolved.--SirEdimon (talk) 06:33, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Art Neville

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Article: Art Neville (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times-Picayune
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Seems like a pretty well-sourced article overall. Every section and every paragraph has at least a few citations. Kurtis (talk) 00:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Puerto Rico protests over Telegramgate

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Articles: Ricardo Rosselló (talk · history · tag) and Telegramgate scandal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hundreds of thousands protest for the resignation of Puerto Rico governor Ricardo Rosselló following a scandal from Rosselló's social messaging with his cabinet. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After stating he will not seek reelection following a scandal, hundreds of thousands protest for the resignation of Puetro Rico governor Ricardo Rosselló.
News source(s): CBS News, BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: While this started last week with reported of tear gas being used, today, apparently, is worse in terms of numbers because the PR want him to step down ASAP rather than next year. Protest is large (at least 500,000 at one point) with worldwide events, so not your run of the mill "people upset at government" protests of a few thousand. This might ongoing if this scrolls off the list. Masem (t) 18:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also remember that a huge chunk of crowds (in general) are just there because they live in or near the area. Some go along for the experience, some with friends or for money. Some counterprotest, some sell refreshments and flags, some play music. Some demand resignation, of course, but not half a million. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note @Stephen: What is "social messaging" supposed to be? Some mixture of social media and instant messaging? --bender235 (talk) 18:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Bender235:, that's correct. Social messaging takes you to messaging apps, where the term is listed. Let me know if you need any more help with basic searching. Stephen 23:04, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen: an unsourced statement in a Wikipedia article is your source? Have a look at WP:CIRC if you have time. Long story short: please rephrase the ITN blurb with a term that actually has a meaning. Thanks. --bender235 (talk) 23:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the lede of Telegramgate explains in a few sentences exactly that it was a social media chat application and its name, (so that it is in the popup), I see no issue with this term. "Social messaging" is a common term among the Internet, and one I think most readers can recognize. --Masem (t) 23:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong post-posting oppose local story, even CNN doesn't feature it on the main page at all. I checked all major european publications - they're completely silent on the issue. Also, the part about "hundreds of thousands protesters" is entirely unreferenced. All of this makes me wonder: in which Telegram chat was the publication of this story on the main page agreed on? --Dalran (talk) 18:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's a feature story about news, essentially designed to paint a free press as heroic and misogynism as profane. CNN has a dog in that fight, obviously. Best to trust straight news. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:57, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) French submarine Minerve found

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Article: French submarine Minerve (S647) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The French submarine Minerve is discovered 51 years after it disappeared in the Mediterranean Sea. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, [9], France 24, Daily Star, Daily Sabah, DW, Guardian, Reuters CNN, The New York Times, Popular Mechanics, Mashable, USA Today, The Times, Sputnik, RT, Buenos Aires Times, Telegraph, Economic Times, ABC (Australia), South China Morning Post
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Nominator's comments: Article is in need of expansion. Precedent for this sort of thing was set by French battleship Danton a few years back. Discovery announced a couple hours ago. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:19, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The peacetime loss of a (comparatively small) diesel submarine wasn't a major news story 51 years ago, and the remote-controlled detection of its wreckage isn't one now. – Sca (talk) 21:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ann Moyal

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Stale, never made the news. Stephen 00:07, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ann Moyal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Australian Academy of the Humanities
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Ivar the Boneful (talk) 11:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the truest and most serious things to ever actually happen and become public knowledge don't make the news, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No-one mentioned anyone lying, no-one said it wasn't true, all that's been stated is that this isn't in the news, and this section of the main page is called .... "in the news", right? The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 08:20, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But WP:ITNRD basically states that for have an entry in the recent deaths section the person must only have an article "not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion", "updated, including reliably sourced confirmation of their death." (which we supposedly have here) and "sufficient quality to be posted on the main page, as determined by a consensus of commenters" (which we normally discuss here). In any part is stated that the death must be "in the news", just that we must to confirm the death from a reliable source.--SirEdimon (talk) 08:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It still has to be "in the news" to be in the "in the news" section. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 08:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The advisory in the template is a lot clearer about this than its underlying guideline is; could be more consistent with that, perhaps less confusing. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Chandrayaan-2 launched

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No consensus to post the launch, rather wait until lunar arrival. Stephen 23:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chandrayaan-2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India's second lunar exploration mission, Chandrayaan-2, is launched. (Post)
News source(s): See article
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Article updated
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(Closed) Venezuelan blackouts

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No consensus. Stephen 23:59, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 Venezuelan blackouts (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
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Nominator's comments: Another nationwide blackout, several states remain without electricity Jamez42 (talk) 02:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Venezuela is a political/economic basket case. I am pretty sure everybody who can place the country on a map is already aware of that. These sorts of events are not especially uncommon. My gut says that this latest event is insufficiently notable in its own right. And much as I despise that --------- government, I am concerned that if we post this, it might be seen as running afoul of WP:RGW. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose The first blackouts as ITN were reasonable. The fact they keep happening is no longer ITN. --Masem (t) 03:29, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment According to the NGO Comité Afectados por los Apagones, 13,140 electric outages have been reported in Venezuela in 2019. The nomination isn't because electrical failures are common in Venezuela, but because there was a major one that affected all states (the fourth one since March 2017), yet I don't think a blurb is appropriate. I would support having it only for a few days. --Jamez42 (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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July 21

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July 21, 2019 (2019-07-21) (Sunday)
Business and economy

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) 2019 Netball World Cup

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Article: 2019 Netball World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New Zealand defeat Australia in the 2019 Netball World Cup (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 219.88.84.161 (talk) 01:08, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Mob attacks in Yuen Long, Hong Kong

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Stale, and no strong consensus for an item that is already in ongoing. Stephen 23:48, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests#Yuen Long pro-Beijing attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ About a hundred assailants attack commuters in Yuen Long, Hong Kong. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Telegraph, CNN, Der Spiegel
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Mob attack by men suspected to be pro-government triads on passersby in suburban Hong Kong. This has never occurred in the course of the current protests, or anytime recent for that matter (Hong Kong is, or until recent events used to be, one of the safest cities in the world). This has received separate coverage and deserves its own blurb. The article has been updated to cover these events. feminist (talk) 03:50, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Nick Harrison (racing)

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Article: Nick Harrison (racing) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. DBigXrayᗙ 06:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robert Morgenthau

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Article: Robert Morgenthau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American lawyer and long-time New York County District Attorney dies at age 99. Davey2116 (talk) 03:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

‎(Posted) Avengers: Endgame becomes the highest-grossing film of all time

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Articles: Avengers: Endgame (talk · history · tag) and List of highest-grossing films (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russo brothers' Avengers: Endgame becomes the highest-grossing film of all time, surpassing James Cameron's Avatar. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated

 MSN12102001 (talk) 13:30, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, article has been updated and is of good quality. This is a major achievement and has been reported in mainstream news sources. feminist (talk) 13:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Avatar became the top in 2009 - in other words, it's been c. 10 years since the top place shifted. Juxlos (talk) 14:20, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose 93 of the 100 highest grossing films worldwide [10] were made this century, and just 2 were made prior to 1993. Higher nominal grosses are a given when ticket prices increase with inflation. What's more, tracking methodology has changed overtime with the specific intent to goose the numbers to create sensational headlines like this [11]. More than a dozen films have a higher domestic gross when inflation is accounted for, while no valid comparison can be made for international receipts. Nominal box office is simply not as important as this headline would suggest. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that out of the top 50 current highest-grossing movies, only 4 had been top of all time at some point: Jurassic Park (1993), Titanic (1997), Avatar (2009), and Avengers: Endgame. That's one movie every six years on average - about the same as heads of state and six times less often than the boat races. Juxlos (talk) 17:50, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond inflation, one should consider increased population. GWTW is estimated to have sold over 6 tickets for every person in the U.S. Star Wars was around 1 ticket per person. Titanic, while a relative juggernaut, sold just 0.487. A movie shouldn't get bonus points for coming out later. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:04, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I.P.s have as much right to vote as anyone, but we would do well to considered the potential for commercial promotion here. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:04, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Only the 11th film since 1915 to break the record: List of highest-grossing films#Timeline of highest-grossing films. It's the second in Wikipedia's history and we posted the first. Inflation exists but this is still a rare and very notable achievement. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not much news here. News sources describing this event are pretty brief. — Ruyter (talk • edits) 18:44, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support On precedent that Avatar doing so was posted. If the same debate over population and popularity inflation and the comments carrying an implicit media-isn't-news vibe were resolved to post 10 years ago, do we need to go through them all again? It is an achievement, even more in an expanding media bubble, and one of the more notable non-award achievements within the world of film (and maybe, arts at large). Kingsif (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support trivial or not, this is a big deal in film industry, it definitely deserves mentioning on the main page, not to mention the pervious One was posted a decade back. 2607:FCC8:B085:7F00:50F9:763E:22C2:C23C (talk) 21:10, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - suggestions that the record is broken frequently seem somewhat disingenuous, given that it took a decade and a cultural juggernaut to overtake the existing record, while the fact that it fails to top unadjusted box-office records is irrelevant in my view as someone who follows the box office. Gone with the Wind is unlikely to ever be surpassed in this regard, and that is a consequence of the way in which entertainment has changed. Gone with the Wind, and many of the other films in the top 10 unadjusted, remained in cinemas for years, as television, home video, and obviously the internet had not yet taken root, rather than films being in theatres for a few months as they are now. Arguments of inflation are also complicated with regards to Avatar by the massive influence of 3D and other premium formats it was shown in on its gross, adjustments that impossible to consider when adjusting. The simple fact is, a decade long record in a massive entertainment industry has been broken, it is in the news, and it absolutely is of interest to the readership of Wikipedia. This should be posted. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd be very careful about trying to argue a point that something is of interest to WP's readership. If that were really the case, Wikipedia would become Wikia, a collect of fan sites. While knowing that readers do appreciate certain topics over others is important, readership should be seen as a secondary goal over building an encyclopedia, and we should not create special allowances for "popular" topics. No comment on the other reasons beyond my previous !vote, but very against using "this is what the readers want!" popularity arguments for ITN. --Masem (t) 16:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. I agree that this is notable enough for inclusion. Davey2116 (talk) 21:39, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. 11x6 to Support. READY? MSN12102001 (talk) 22:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Entertainment trivia. Adjusting for inflation this looks like a non-event. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:30, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – On lack of significance. – Sca (talk) 22:35, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per Stormy clouds, although I'm uncomfortable the numbers aren't adjusted for inflation. Banedon (talk) 00:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Stormy clouds made a very strong case. I'm sold.--SirEdimon (talk) 00:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 00:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. A record that is inevitably broken on a regular basis as inflation raises the bar higher and higher. Not significant and not really in the news.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 14:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support per Stormy clouds. Not earth-shattering news, but there's not much else happening either. power~enwiki (π, ν) 14:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose really not significant as it does not adjust for inflation.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose - How did this get posted? Without adjusting for inflation, this is as meaningless a number as you'll find.--WaltCip (talk) 15:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak post-posting oppose - This would be much more significant if it were adjusted for inflation- as it stands it is remarkable, but expected to be surpassed at some point in the near future because of the nature of inflation. As it stands, I don't think that this is significantly newsworthy. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the tide has truly turned on this nomination, there's no clear consensus for it to be posted. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 15:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Consensus seems rather dubious on this one, and posting may have been premature. However, I'd be very reluctant to endorse pulling the item. Bad form. – Sca (talk) 15:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support - This is a notable record that is being reported in the news. It also isn't a common occurrence, typically happening only once or twice a decade. While it's true that some film was inevitably going to break the record at some point, that doesn't mean it isn't notable that this film just broke the record. Calathan (talk) 15:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think the record is being called into question, just that it's not really encyclopedically notable, it's tabloid notable as it doesn't take inflation into account. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 15:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I would invoke the Neymar principle - a truly spectacular box office would be worth reporting. But incrementally surpassing a number which would necessarily be surpassed by virtue of increased population and ticket prices is not. Put plainly, Avatar's performance was better, so trumpeting this is misleading. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose. I agree with the main reasons given above. At the very least, the hook must contain a mention that the revenue was not adjusted for inflation because as it stands now, it sounds as if it was. Even then though I fail to see this as a real milestone. Due to inflation, a film being released later will automatically generate more revenue with the same amount of watchers, so noting milestones only makes sense if they are milestones even after adjustment for inflation. Regards SoWhy 15:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Then put in parentheses, after "highest-grossing film of all time": (without taking into account the inflationary adjustment). End of Discussion. MSN12102001 (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Not at all. It makes it not a record really. So not even worth putting on the main page, so not "end of discussion" by any means. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 16:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh my God! This is the best discussion ever in the Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. Such a simple thing, it becomes so complicated MSN12102001 (talk) 16:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    But no, it isn't, clearly. It was voted in primarily because it "headlined" remarkable. But when taking inflation into account, it's done fine, but nothing amazing. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 16:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This should really be pulled. It was probably posted a bit prematurely when there appeared to be a rather weak consensus. But that was short lived and there is clearly no consensus at present. And given the level of participation I am becoming doubtful that one will be achieved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. At the moment, 15x14 to Support MSN12102001 (talk) 16:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    No consensus then. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 16:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: Calm down. Still voting. MSN12102001 (talk) 17:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm calm. The point is that the post has no consensus. Sorry if you don't understand that means it should be removed until a consensus to re-post exists. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 17:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok... Thanks for the advice and good work! :) MSN12102001 (talk) 17:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per PrimeHunter. -- Tavix (talk) 16:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support. The inflation issue is covered well in the article, and you'll never get a clear-cut moment when the inflation-adjusted record is broken because it depends on the assumptions used in the calculation. That aside, this is a high-profile record (whether that's justified or not) that isn't broken very often. Whilst I'm unimpressed that its held by a superhero film, that's really beside the point. One of the few ways we could ever feature blockbuster films, which rarely compete for Oscars, and once a decade isn't opening any floodgates. Modest Genius talk 16:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Stormy clouds. ZettaComposer (talk) 17:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. At the moment, 18x14 to Support MSN12102001 (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not about counting votes. See WP:VOTE. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 17:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly, most of the oppose votes can be condensed to the one with a misguided view that media isn't news. Charming view, but frankly untrue. Nothing against TRM or the other oppose votes, but I'm not sure you're stepping back from disaster-and-boat-race central to see that in the media world (which is no less valid than the fire/police/sport one, though people see it that way) this is more like the biggest news all year so far. Kingsif (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    !!!!!!BOAT RACE KLAXON!!!!!!! once again, nothing to do with this. I stated that I objected due to inflation being ignored. Could you Kingsif now provide an explicit reason to bring up the Boat Race based on my oppose? The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 22:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    1. we like the boat race joke :) 2. My comment was much more general, but I thought since I was responding to you I'd at least apologize to not cause offense 3. again, from the media view, there are too many factors that can't be accounted for that not adjusting for inflation can be ignored (or do we question the super-run of Avatar, Titanic's re-release?), especially when acknowledging a film breaking the record as a product of its moment in time which, should be allowed to stand and celebrated as part of what made it a success. Kingsif (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per TRM. StudiesWorld (talk) 17:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with a blurb change that mentions it is not adjusted for inflation. Even that record on its own is fine. Spengouli (talk) 17:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I disagree wholesale with the closure, there's no real consensus to post this right now. And given it's only been open a day, there's plenty of scope for allowing more discussion before closing down the discussion which has been heavily leaning against posting. Suggest this is allowed more time to develop before being halted summarily while consensus is clearly shifting. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 19:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support this is a major and rare news item in the movie industry. I would in theory support a mention that it is the highest grossing movie when not adjusted for inflation, but no one has really proposed a blurb for that which works. I think the current blurb works fine, and anyone who reads the article is going to understand the issue anyway. --PlasmaTwa2 19:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    And actually, having just read Stormy Cloud's reasons I have to concur with him. It seems illogical to pull this because it isn't the highest grossing movie when adjusted for inflation. That record isn't going to be broken for a very very long time, if ever. Meanwhile, the film industry and media clearly considers the record the movie did break to be important in its own right. --PlasmaTwa2 19:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The last films to hold this spot were in order Avatar (2009), Titanic (1997), Jurassic Park (1993), and E.T. (1982). This is rare, inflation or not. It's a significant success that demonstrates the cultural impact of the MCU, and places the film alongside those record-breaking contemporaries. We always post "best in show" winners at Cannes and other annual festivals, for films that are quickly forgotten. This industry news is more uncommon, more significant, and more "in the news". TarkusABtalk/contrib 20:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is a rare event. If it happened more frequently, it wouldn't be so noteworthy. Calidum 22:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As per various people, this is not a common event even with inflation. And I think the list of highest grossing films is a good article to link to. Rockphed (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 20

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(Posted) RD: Sheila Dikshit

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Article: Sheila Dikshit (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

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 DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 11:15, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned up the article a little. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 01:24, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Terry Isaac

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Article: Terry Isaac (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 00:15, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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July 19

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(Posted) RD: Marisa Merz

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Article: Marisa Merz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): http://www.artnews.com/2019/07/20/marisa-merz-dead/
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Fully sourced. MurielMary (talk) 09:38, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: César Pelli

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Article: César Pelli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, BBC, Bloomberg
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Argentine–American architect who designed some of the tallest skyscrappers in the world. SirEdimon (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Arswendo Atmowiloto

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Article: Arswendo Atmowiloto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article was created shortly after his death, but this is more a case of "nobody made an article before" than post-death coverage Juxlos (talk) 09:08, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Africa Cup of Nations

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Article: 2019 Africa Cup of Nations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, the Africa Cup of Nations concludes with Algeria defeating Senegal in the final. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
 Yogwi21 (talk) 23:14, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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July 18

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(Closed) Argentina becomes first Latin American country to declare Hezbollah as "terrorists"

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Consensus to post will not develop. StudiesWorld (talk) 17:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Hezbollah (talk · history · tag) and AMIA bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Argentina becomes the first Latin American country to declare Hezbollah a "terrorist organization" (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ On the 25th anniversary of the AMIA bombing, Argentina becomes the first Latin American country to declare Hezbollah a "terrorist organization"
News source(s): Jerusalem Post BBC
Credits:

Both articles updated
Nominator's comments: First nomination, so I will take it all positive --CoryGlee (talk) 11:39, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem:, that's in part, because the pages are fully protected and I can't edit further :( --CoryGlee (talk) 16:50, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Argentina is only semi-protected while the bombing article is extended confirmed protected. Unfortunately both articles have been persistent targets of disruptive editing so this can't be helped. I suggest posting edit requests on their respective talk pages. However my oppose basically stands. This is no more than a blip in global political affairs and would not warrant its own article which is usually (though not always) a litmus test for ITN nominations. Thank you for your contributions and welcome to the project. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:56, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem:, et al., thanks for your welcoming me Sirs! I now understand how it works :) --CoryGlee (talk) 17:04, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Chris Froome declared winner of the 2011 Vuelta

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Not happening. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2011 Vuelta a España (talk · history · tag) and Chris Froome (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chris Froome declared winner of the 2011 Vuelta (Post)
News source(s): VeloNews
Credits:

Both articles updated
 Count Iblis (talk) 05:07, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Kyoto Animation massacre

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Article: Kyoto Animation arson attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire at an animation studio in Kyoto kills at least 33 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An arson attack at an animation studio in Kyoto kills at least 33 people.
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, Kyodo News Agency, AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Suspected arson, with at least 13 deaths. feminist (talk) 07:20, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Guardian says 33 deaths. Sca (talk) 13:34, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It's now the worst mass-murder incident by an individual in post-war Japan... I've also added a second alt-blurb to highlight this - it's not a suspected arson attack anymore, it was a pre-meditated massacre. Now think arson attack is the best way to address this. Have edited the second alt blurb. Kettleonwater (talk) 13:41, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There's a few odd problems on the references, but I knock that up to the rates of editing on this, but it is otherwise sourced well. --Masem (t) 13:52, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt I, but drop the word "suspected". Article is well updated. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:26, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The word "massacre" in both the current article title, and altblurb II is questionable. There's a page move discussion at the target article, it is looking like this will end up at "arson attack" (reflecting news sources). --Masem (t) 14:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly why I see the first alternative as the best option at the moment. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Have edited the second blurb. Kettleonwater (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Malicious" is not a good addition... I suggest just "An arson attack at an animation studio in Kyoto kills at least 33 people." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 15:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

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Science and technology
  • Astronomers rule out the chances of ~30-meter asteroid 2006 QV89's impacting Earth in September 2019 by eliminating the possibility of its passing through an area where it would have to be if it were on an impacting orbit. Prior to this, the asteroid had been given a one-in-7,000 chance of impacting Earth. (phys.org)

(Posted) Ebola outbreak now an international health emergency

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Article: 2018–19 Kivu Ebola epidemic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the Ebola outbreak in Congo an international public health emergency. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the Ebola outbreak in Congo an international public health emergency after it spreads to the city of Goma.
News source(s): AP News, BBC News, The New York Times, NPR, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: After a man infected with the virus made it to Goma, a city of 2 million with an international airport, the WHO made this declaration, only the fifth time such a pronouncement has been made by the organization. Qono (talk) 20:22, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Warren Cole

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Article: Warren Cole (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Won an Olympic gold medal at the 1968 Summer Olympics ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 17:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) El Chapo sentenced

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Solid consensus against posting again.
– Sca (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mexican druglord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is sentenced to life imprisonment by a US federal court. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, etc
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Recurring chap in ITN, but this seems to be it (unless he manages to escape again). Brandmeistertalk 16:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Andrea Camilleri

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Article: Andrea Camilleri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 12:43, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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July 16

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Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Syrian Civil War
    • Syrian government airstrikes targeting residential areas in the towns of Jisr al-Shughur, Khan Shaykhun, Maar Shoreen, Hantoteen and Ain Al Bardeh in Idlib province, kill at least nine civilians and injure 14 others. (AA)

Business and economy
  • Nate Sutton, associate general counsel of Amazon, in testimony before a committee of the U.S. Senate, denies that the company uses individual data to compete unfairly with smaller sellers using its third-party platform. (Seeking Alpha)

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(Closed) RD: John Paul Stevens

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Article: John Paul Stevens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article looks fairly good but is seeing further updates. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:08, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's your rationale?-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are literally whole paragraphs unreferenced in there. It's a BLP violation. These kind of supports should be summarily ignored as it's clear that no attention to quality has been paid. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 18:45, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Quality is worth accounting for, but the supports show that these users support the blurb, rather than think it is not notable or ITN worthy. Master of Time (talk) 19:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • What makes you think that? No blurb has been proposed, and neither supporter has mentioned a blurb. And in any case, it's clearly not about the individual being "not notable or ITN worthy", just read the words in RD template being used here. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 19:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • @The Rambling Man: I got as much right to vote support as you do to vote oppose. It is not necessary that I conform to your rationale for voting. Nor is it necessarily for you to continually badger and hound people who disagree with you, as you perennially do on this and other boards. Finally, I think you throw around the term "BLP violation" too liberally. And, @Pawnkingthree:, my rationale is, "I believe this is notable enough to be on the main page, regardless of the quality of the article". pbp 22:53, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yes, you can !vote whatever way you like, but this isn't the first time you've voted support for an RD whose quality is astonishingly poor and a BLP violation. Your rational is irrelevant, all RDs are considered notable enough for inclusion in the RD section of the ITN template, all we consider for such nominations is the quality. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 05:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
            • Shut up, TRM. I will not be badgered by you. You may think you can bully others around on this project, but not me. pbp 15:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
              • Nice personal attack. Please read the notes in the RD template which clearly state: the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. If you need any more assistance with this, I'm happy to help. Cheers! The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 17:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Johnny Clegg

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Article: Johnny Clegg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): eNCA, BusinessDay
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

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(Posted) Ursula von der Leyen elected President of the European Commission

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Article: Ursula von der Leyen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ursula von der Leyen (pictured) is elected President of the European Commission, as the first female president (Post)
News source(s): [15], AP, BBC, Guardian, AFP, dpa
Credits:

Article updated

 Ana Stelline (talk) 17:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Posted Feel free to add the photo. --Tone 19:13, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Done -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Can we add that she is the first woman elected President of the European Commission? Thanks,

-TenorTwelve (talk) 23:59, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Post-posting comment (and I'll copy this to MP talk) The article for the EC President uses the term "appoint" throughout regarding the selection of a new president. Not "elect". This is for good reason, as these are not "elections" in layman's terms, because they are not popular plebicites. Please change "elected" to "appointed".130.233.3.189 (talk) 07:43, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, three of the sources above use "elected" and three use "confirmed"; none use "appointed". The relevant Art. 17.7 of the Treaty of the European Union says [..] the European Council [...] shall propose to the European Parliament a candidate for President of the Commission. This candidate shall be elected by the European Parliament by a majority of its component members. [...] (emphasis added). So the term "elected" is actually correct based on the law that governs said process. Regards SoWhy 07:58, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

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(Posted) RD: Werner Müller (politician)

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Article: Werner Müller (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German manager of energy companies, minister of economics 1998–2002, Manager of the Year in 2008. Had one line of an article, it's a bit better now. Expansion welcome, some sources have great detail. Not my normal topic, please check for overly German terms. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK. And since most educated Germans know at least some English, I guess we can assume that a good number of them also read the Eng.-lang. Wiki. Tschüß! – Sca (talk) 22:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In his case, however, they are still better off with the German version. I didn't copy all, because then a single unsourced fact may be in the way of appearing here. Read the speech by Horst Köhler if you can. Going to use it more in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Karl Shiels

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Article: Karl Shiels (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SUN
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. Irish actor DBigXrayᗙ 05:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Thryduulf, can someone please post the credits.--DBigXrayᗙ 18:46, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  Done by User:Pawnkingthree--DBigXrayᗙ 04:41, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) MaryEllen Elia resigns

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SNOW close. No chance. – Ammarpad (talk) 23:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: MaryEllen Elia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New York State Education commissioner MaryEllen Elia resigns over private school standards of education controversy. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ New York State education controversy results in resignation of MaryEllen Elia, State Commissioner of Education.
News source(s): New York Post, Wall Street Journal
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is an important event, however the article needs updating, sounds a little biased, and the story may be too New York centric. Puzzledvegetable
I'm puzzled about the impetus for this nom., but since I've been vegetating all afternoon my little gray cells may be sluggish. – Sca (talk) 22:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As an individual event, I would agree. However, seen as part of the larger controversy, I believe this event is notable enough. Check out this link to New York Education Yeshiva Education Controversy on Google. I'm not saying that everything that comes up is a reliable source, but this should give you an idea of the extent of the coverage. --Puzzledvegetable|💬|📧|📜 23:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Care to explain it to the rest of us? The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 23:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if you're being rhetorical, but here goes: An advocacy group called YAFFED filed a claim that private schools in New York, particularly Jewish Ultra Orthodox schools, were not teaching the "substantially equivalent education" that is required of private schools. In response, Elia issued a list of guidelines to address the issues. The guidelines were deemed inappropriate, and many community leaders called them unfair. A joint Jewish and Catholic effort resulted in the guidelines being suspended in State Court. And now, in response, MaryEllen Elia has resigned. --Puzzledvegetable|💬|📧|📜 23:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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July 14

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RD: Pernell Whitaker

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Article: Pernell Whitaker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent, The Guardian, Daily Mirror
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Boxing "legend". Word Champion. Olympic Champion. Fighter of the Year. Notable boxer. The article has several ref issues, but can be fixed. --SirEdimon (talk) 15:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Cricket World Cup

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Article: 2019 Cricket World Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, England defeat New Zealand in the final of the 2019 Cricket World Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Cricket World Cup concludes with England defeating New Zealand in the final
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Nominator's comments: Article still needs to be fleshed out, but afterwards should be good to go. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Too short blurb. The runs were tied, and the super over was also tied. England won by default. That is too significant to ignore. Pretty sure it never occurred in any other World Cup final. 27.97.210.129 (talk) 07:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How about In cricket, England defeat New Zealand in the final of the 2019 Cricket World Cup, following an unprecedented "super over" tie-break. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"England won by default"? No, they won by having the greater number of boundaries across the entire game. It's a controversial rule. But yes, this has never occurred before. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb is fine and in line with house style. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As a general rule, we avoid specifying scorelines in ITN blurbs. The tie-break process works the same way - it's a complex issue best left to the article to explain. Modest Genius talk 11:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There are good pics of MOTM Ben Stokes though. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The only two that show Stokes' face are File:BEN STOKES (11704837023) (cropped).jpg (from 2014) and File:Ben Stokes, 2013 (cropped further).jpg (from 2013). Both are so old that he's barely recognisable as the same person. Modest Genius talk 12:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Jimbo would like that, too. – Sca (talk) 20:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging Stephen and Espresso Addict in case they missed it. They are always around.--SirEdimon (talk) 15:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Wimbledon

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Unfortunately this is no longer chronologically eligible to be posted, with four more recent events on the main page already. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:50, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2019 Wimbledon Championships – Women's Singles (talk · history · tag) and 2019 Wimbledon Championships – Men's Singles (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, the 2019 Wimbledon Championships concludes, with Simona Halep defeating Serena Williams in the Women's Singles and Novak Djokovic (pictured) defeating Roger Federer in the Men's Singles, completing the longest Wimbledon final ever. (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Haven't worked on the articles, but a read shows they have prose coverage including finals. Kingsif (talk) 00:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Don't try to snooker us into that. – Sca (talk) 21:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No snookers required, my track record speaks for itself. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 21:42, 16 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]
Nice legs. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]
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2019 Southeast Asia floods

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Article: 2019 Southeast Asia floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Monsoonal floods kill at least 130 people across Bangladesh, China, India, and Nepal. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, CNN, AP, AFP
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Nominator's comments: Likely overshadowed by the far-less significant Hurricane Barry, there has been widespread loss of life from monsoonal floods in Asia. Sadly a typical event for the region, but notability should be sufficient especially with a blurb drought. Presently continuing to expand the article, but nominating to get the ball rolling. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 23:16, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hussain Muhammad Ershad

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Article: Hussain Muhammad Ershad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former Bangladesh president Hussain Muhammad Ershad dies at 89. (Post)
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Nominator's comments: I think the former leader of the 8th largest country in the world probably deserves his own blurb. 2607:FB90:245C:CDD3:6D04:EDE4:D49D:9907 (talk) 11:53, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 13

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  • U.S. Vice President Mike Pence says the conditions under which asylum seekers are being held in facilities along the U.S. border with Mexico are unacceptable, after visiting two federal detention centers in Texas, remaining the highest-ranking member of the Trump administration to say so. He calls upon the U.S. Congress to act. (CNN)
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(Posted) RD: Paolo Sardi

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Article: Paolo Sardi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Catholic News Agency, Zenit
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Nominator's comments: Cardinal of the Catholic Church, former patron of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Relatively short article, but fully referenced. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 15:25, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Asasey Hotel attack

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Article: Asasey Hotel attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A hotel is attacked in Kismayo, Somalia, killing at least 26 people including journalist Hodan Nalayeh. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Five al-Shabaab militants attack a hotel in Kismayo, Jubaland in Somalia, killing 26 people, including several government figures.
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, AP
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Stub, needs lots of expansion before it's good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Incumbents and candidates died, will impact elections. Though I suppose political events are even less unusual over there. A celebrity English Wikipedia kind of knows died, which is a bit strange. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've lengthened it. Could still be longer. Not too long, of course. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt when up to snuff. "At least" is pessimistic, and Nalayeh wasn't technically a journalist. Gives a sense of regional political impact. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt pending expansion: Yes, this kind of event is expected in the country - but that usually means it doesn't hit the news cycle in the West, which this one has done. Anything that seems like a political kind of attack is well notable, you could say even more so in a country with little grip on politics. Article needs some expanding though. Kingsif (talk) 08:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Routine bit of violence, sadly. Sandstein 10:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Possibly significant enough even for such a strife-ridden place, but article at 140 words is basically a stub. Could be readily expanded with info from RS links added above. – Sca (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've figured out how to copy on my gadget (some of the time), but pasting is still a pipe dream. Flipping between tabs is sometimes possible, but this onscreen keyboard is still ridiculously slow. Edit conflicting after such tedium as it might take would destroy me (it's happened twice before). So, anyone else interested, don't wait for me! I'm miserably semiretired. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@InedibleHulk: That's why I use laptop when editing, much less headache, despite being old-fashioned. Brandmeistertalk 07:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My laptop is getting older, with fan, battery and flicker problems (and two stripped screws in the metal case). During the summer, humidity, lightning and power fluctuations make me paranoid about it dying. Just need to remember to grab a USB keyboard for this newfangled doodad, which I don't think about in the real world, which is where I still shop (with physical cash, even). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Spektr-RG

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Article: Spektr-RG (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Spektr-RG (pictured), a Russian-German high-energy space telescope, is launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Spektr-RG (pictured), a Russian-German high-energy space telescope, is launched.
News source(s): BBC, The Hindu, NASA.
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Nominator's comments: Needs a few citations; nominating for more attention. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:56, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Isaac Lesiba Maphotho

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Article: Isaac Lesiba Maphotho (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): EWN
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Article updated
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 Lefcentreright (talk) 16:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 12

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RD: Sadie Roberts-Joseph

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Article: Sadie Roberts-Joseph (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, TIME
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article is short but seems comprehensive. Not many details have been released yet about her death, but it might blow up to be a big story worthy of a blurb when they are/postmortem results area vailable (but that's crystal so I'm only nominating for RD currently). Although she was found dead on the 12th all the sources seem to be at most a day old. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Fernando J. Corbató

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Article: Fernando J. Corbató (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
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Nominator's comments: Computer scientist credited with the concept of the password. Not quite there in terms of sourcing but not far off. Masem (t) 18:34, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hodan Nalayeh

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Article: Hodan Nalayeh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
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 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:F596:81F3:9E43:707 (talk) 22:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 11

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  • British right-wing activist Tommy Robinson is sentenced to nine months in prison for contempt of court — minus time served equals about another 10 weeks in prison. Supporters attacked police and journalists following the court proceedings. Police say no new arrests were made. (BBC News)
  • American R&B singer R. Kelly is arrested in Chicago on federal sex crime charges. (NBC News)

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July 10

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Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Assailants raid a village in Papua New Guinea's Hela province, killing and dismembering 16 women and children, and burning buildings. (The Guardian)
  • Three or five of Iran's IRGC Navy gunboats unsuccessfully attempt to seize control of British oil tanker British Heritage in the Persian Gulf, according to UK's Ministry of Defense as well as two anonymous U.S. officials. The Royal Navy's HMS Montrose reportedly warns the boats to back away from the BP Shipping-owned tanker, which they do. The incident is allegedly captured on a U.S. aircraft's camera. (CNN)

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  • An unexpected violent storm hits the Greek region of Halkidiki with heavy rain, hail, and strong winds, killing six foreign tourists. (BBC News)

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(Closed) RD: Beatrice Arbour

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Stale as death was reported a month ago. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Beatrice Arbour (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [16] [17]
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 ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:27, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'm not sure she have enough notability to be enlisted here. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:14, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Alsoriano97, please see WP:ITNRD - SchroCat (talk) 12:16, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a ludicrous suggestion. WP:NBASE requires one game played, which is precisely what she has (and one at bat for the career). Putting someone on the front page who barely qualifies for an article seems illogical, and I'd be !voting oppose on IAR grounds, but it's not worth the headache. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:01, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Freddie Jones

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Article: Freddie Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: A marker for now, as the article isn't up to scratch, but I'll work on it in the morning Now updated, and should be OK. Please let me know if you spot any problems. SchroCat (talk) 22:33, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Oldest human fossil outside of Africa

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Article: Apidima Cave (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The oldest Homo sapiens fossil outside of Africa discovered in Apidima Cave, Greece, belonging to a person who died 215,000 years ago. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A skull found in Apidima Cave, Greece, in 1978, is dated to 215,000 years ago, making it possibly the earliest Homo sapien known to have lived outside of Africa.
News source(s): Nature, Guardian, The Economist
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: The oldest human fossil outside of Africa, one of the oldest ever. Huge importance given that the previous estimates only suggested that Europe was colonized by humans no earlier than about 50 thousand years ago (and the earliest outside of Africa at 120kyears). This will change the entire theory of when and how did humans spread out of Africa. I guess separate articles (for both the fossil and the cave) should be created though. --5.44.170.9 (talk) 20:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Expresso Addict’s observation. I won’t oppose but before I support, I would like to see some balance in the article and blurb to the effect that some voices in the scientific community are questioning the conclusion. No doubt about this being in the news, however. Jusdafax (talk) 00:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All novel research is doubted initially. The Guardian says "Experts[who?] contacted by the Guardian doubted whether the skull really belonged to a modern human, and had concerns about the dating procedure. Flaws in either could fatally undermine the scientists’ narrative." I don't know if that has any weight; sounds more like the complaints of curmudgeonly professors emeriti who are behind on modern research methods. We are comparing unnamed naysayers vs. the editors and reviewers at Nature, a very reliable journal who has its own high standard of review before publication. Scientist are always prudently sceptical. That does not mean there is serious doubt. Not my area of expertise. Just my reading of the situation. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:41, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have edited Altblurb to insert more doubt and caution. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:48, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ICC finds Bosco Ntanga guilty

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Article: Bosco Ntaganda (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court finds Bosco Ntaganda guilty of war crimes committed as Vice-Marshal of the FPLC militia in Congo. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bosco Ntaganda is found guilty of war crimes by the ICC
News source(s): [18]
[19]
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/bosco-ntaganda-congo-war-crimes-murder-rape-child-soldiers-icc-hague-a8994871.html
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: The article on Bosco Ntaganda should mention (if there are sources) which were the 18 charges, he is now found guilty for. Besides, this news is from Monday. LennBr (talk) 08:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now so long as the important "He was charged with the war crimes of enlisting and conscripting children under the age of fifteen and using them to participate actively in hostilities." remains uncited. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:24, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I added a source that he was found guilty for those charges. In most cases, people get convicted for the things they have been charged for.LennBr (talk) 12:31, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think you mean to say "People get charged for the things they are convicted of." The other way around implies a lack of presumption of innocence, IMO. That said, I think the article is on its way but still has a few too many tags for my liking. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 9

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RD: Rip Torn

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Article: Rip Torn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [20]
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 Nonstopmaximum (talk) 06:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm bad at reading sarcasm on the internet: does the italicized "me" indicate you're joking? If not, understand this article is miles away from being acceptable. There are huge swaths with zero references. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No sarcasm, just meant I'm aware others might see the huge swaths as a dealbreaker. I think they could be better, but nothing particularly vile; a fair bit is verifiable by Wikilink and the personal life section seems solid. Since my mention of his four notable awards has been redacted, I'll note (not to you, just for the record) he won four notable awards (and fathered a daughter who won one). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Remember the 5 D's of dodgeball, and the 5 P's of Wikipedia Pillars.
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Did you happen to catch Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story? If you can grasp a wrench, you can appreciate his impact on the faded Tinseltown legends of today. True story. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it necessitates a blurb. Did he win any Academy Awards, anything of note? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, just transformative in his field. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:26, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why did the scarecrow win a Nobel Prize? -- Because he was out-standing in his field.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The king of comedy is dead, long live the king! If this were 1956, you'd have a future in this town, kid. But we'd need to do something about that name. Seriously though, you're alright! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I see no evidence for that anywhere, just a long career. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Roger Ebert found his iconic training methods so nice, he referenced them twice. Clearly transformed that $167 million movie into a three-star flick. Go see it, it's free now. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:33, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've given you enough time to demonstrate this so-called transformative impact. I see nothing. Cheers for the insight though. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, don't leave! WNYT reports he did win an Emmy, after all. 1996, precisely two-thirds into his run. Calls him "distinguished" and "award-winning". InedibleHulk (talk) 08:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Still no sign of the table, but I found three other potential honours in the lead. Can't decide if they count for much. You be the judge. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also transformed six-time world champ Geraldine Page into the mother of an award-winning actress. No joke prize, either, basically American Shakespeare. Not too shabby. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:21, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. But one or two awards in sixty years really demonstrates a level of mediocrity which could hardly be called transformative. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Then don't come crying to me about Vera Lynn when she's done getting her feet wet. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:43, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I won't. Her article is also in an abysmal condition. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Great, now we're both happy. Who do you like? Among the living, I mean. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:01, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I understand what who I like has to do with this nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Has more to do with your opposition standards than the current nominee. Forget I asked for now if you must. But one of these days, Man, you're going to nominate someone you think matters. And if they haven't something shiny to show for each 15 years they toiled in their field, I'm going to call them mediocre and Bam! Straight to the moon! Good old-fashioned rhetorical justice, see? InedibleHulk (talk) 11:32, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think you've mistaken me for someone who cares about what you personally would say about anything I nominate. I think that's called disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. But be my guest, should the opportunity arise, to make said point, claim your "justice" and feel brilliant, it's water off a duck's back me old mucker. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, I'm not going to do it purely out of petty revenge and pride, or against the first big name I see. Only if I genuinely disagree they deserve a blurb. Business as usual on a meat and potatoes level, my dumb new sidequest is just gravy. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:01, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  Facepalm 👏👏👏 . The Rambling Man (talk) 12:03, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Suzanne Eaton

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Article: Suzanne Eaton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [21], [22]
Credits:

Article updated
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 Thsmi002 (talk) 00:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now checked; not found any major problems though most of the research/career (and one of the two awards) is cited to her institute. Unfortunately the news reports are focusing on her personal aspects not her scientific career. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:05, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Philip Freelon

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Article: Philip Freelon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: This will need a good bit of clean-up before it can go to the Main Page. Unfortunately, I'm not able to do it right now. If I get a chance, I'll work on it. StudiesWorld (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ethiopian Jews protest in Israel

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Duplicate, stale. Stephen 23:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: July 2019 Ethiopian Jews protest in Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): "Ethiopian-Israeli protests reportedly set to resume after pause" The Times of Israel
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Nominator's comments: Article had grammar, quote accuracy and sequence problems which I believe have been addressed Havradim (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Ross Perot

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Article: Ross Perot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: US billionaire, who twice ran for president as an independent, has died aged 89 Carcharoth (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DannyS712 Just FYI notability is not at issue for an RD nomination. Just article quality. 331dot (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: I know, I was fixing that. Sorry --DannyS712 (talk) 15:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What is the basis for a deceased failed presidential candidate to merit a blurb? 331dot (talk) 16:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There's an interesting case to be made for a blurb on USAipedia, but it's a non-starter here. I would urge others to shelve this quixotic talk until the quality issues are addressed. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:04, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Posted --Tone 11:54, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tone: Is it okay if I credit myself for updating it? DannyS712 (talk) 15:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Arthur Ryan

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Article: Arthur Ryan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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 ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fernando de la Rúa

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Article: Fernando de la Rúa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Clarín
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Nominator's comments: President of Argentina during the hardtimes of the "corralito", he also have a good shaped article Alsoriano97 talk 11:36, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 8

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  • Flash flooding in Washington, D.C. delivers a month's worth of rain on the local area in the span of an hour. The torrential rain leaves commuters stranded on car rooftops, floods several metro stations and causes flooding in the White House. (CNET)

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(Closed) Greece elections

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Unimproved. Stephen 23:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 Greek legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kyriakos Mitsotakis, from New Democracy is sworn in Prime Minister of Greece, succeeding Alexis Tsipras after his huge victory in the legislative election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Leader of the Opposition, the conservative Kyriakos Mitsotakis, is sworn in Prime Minister of Greece, succeeding left-wing Alexis Tsipras.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Greek parliamentary elections, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, of the center-right New Democracy party, defeats Alexis Tsipras, of the leftist Syriza party, to become the new prime minister.
Alternative blurb III: ​ New Democracy, led by Kyriakos Mitsotakis, wins most seats in the legislative election.
News source(s): (Reuters) (Washington Post) (The New York Times), BBC, Guardian
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Nominator's comments: This is an important change for Greece as we all know what happened in 2015. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:48, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note that Mitsotakis's new cabinet was sworn in Tuesday. Mitsotakis is the PM, period, as Alt2 indicates. – Sca (talk) 13:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. – Sca (talk) 20:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Meaning what? I'd have though it was a "I know, right?" But then you yourself blindly supported the article without bothering to review it, so...sigh, right? GreatCaesarsGhost 23:11, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This user does not respond to users who don't exist. – Sca (talk) 14:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Neither old nor stale. This item is still newer than any of the current items on the ITN ticker.--WaltCip (talk) 14:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In the real world in which we live it's stale. – Sca (talk) 15:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 
Yawn...

It's not getting attention because no one's interested anymore. – Sca (talk) 21:22, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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July 7

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RD: Artur Brauner

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Article: Artur Brauner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, Hollywood Reporter, Bild
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Nominator's comments: Polish-German film producer and Holocaust survivor SirEdimon (talk) 02:35, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Wright buildings as UNESCO World Heritage Sites

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Consensus against. --Tone 09:19, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Frank Lloyd Wright (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Eight of Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings are named as UNESCO World Heritage Sites. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Eight of Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings, including NAME (pictured), are named as UNESCO World Heritage Sites.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Eight of Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings, including NAME (pictured), are named as UNESCO World Heritage Sites, the first modern architecture in the United States to be added.
News source(s): CNN, NYTimes
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Nominator's comments: Slow news and we don't get a chance to feature much architecture stuff. Lloyd's article about 10% off from being properly sourced, it's not there yet. I offer alt1 where any of the eight buildings could be added fpr NAME, and I think we have pictures for all eight of them too. Alt2 adds a factoid but that might be too much. Masem (t) 01:16, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose in situations like these I'd prefer to highlight the eight buildings, not the architect who designed them. Besides, there're now more than 1,000 World Heritage Sites. Banedon (talk) 03:25, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • There definitely is no shortage of World Heritage sites, its not like this is a wholly unique recognizition, but here they are specifically recognizing Wright's design, not so much any individual building. --Masem (t) 04:24, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Query: @Masem: "[T]he first modern architecture in the United States to be added" implies that there are other modern buildings that have been listed; how common is it, do you know? Espresso Addict (talk) 05:09, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is was CNN has said. I would read that to mean that probably in Europe and Asia there are modern architectures that have been added (maybe even Canada and Mexico). --Masem (t) 05:11, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, just as another interesting factoid that might help: because the US pulled out of the Paris agreement, the country is unable to suggest places to be UNESCO sites. A group dedicated to Wright pushed for its candidancy to the UNESCO groups. --Masem (t) 05:12, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment. I'm prepared to support this on significance, because I think it's rare for modern architecture to be singled out in this way; the most recent I'm aware of in the UK, for example, is 1890. However, the article needs a fuller update to explain its significance. There seems nothing to stop other inscriptions from being nominated, if they are in the news. ETA, though I note Jodrell Bank Observatory has just been listed in the same 7 July batch! Espresso Addict (talk) 05:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As I wrote below, the site near me made it into my news. This one didn't. How do we choose? Do you really want me nominating the one near me as well (we do have an updated article on it - Budj Bim), and then other people nominating the ones they've heard about? HiLo48 (talk) 05:37, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage outside the country? As well as the local Jodrell Bank, the BBC is highlighting Babylon,[29] and some others here.[30] Espresso Addict (talk) 05:54, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This addition to UNESCO World Heritage listings appears to be one of around twenty so far at the current meeting of the World Heritage Committee. See [31]. To single out this one would seem to be an example of perhaps accidental US centrism, or just a centrism for the nominator's own country, which happens to be the USA. I was aware of another site declared in my country. [32] The news media I saw didn't tell me about this one. News media is like that. Unless we report on them all, it seems wrong to report on just this one. HiLo48 (talk) 05:20, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mostly per above. I'm not seeing how this is sufficiently unique to justify an ITN blurb. I do acknowledge that Wright was a highly influential figure in his field (though I am personally not a fan) but this seems rather arbitrary when the other sites are also considered. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:27, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose would be better suited to another part of the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Agree with other comments. About 29 sites have now been added to the World Heritage List this year. Wright is not even the first modern architect whose buildings have been named as World Heritage Sites: The Architectural Work of Le Corbusier was added three years ago. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose especially since this is not singled out by Unesco. As observed above, it's just among many which are also listed, I don't see any compelling reason why we should single this out and make it more important than the rest. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:56, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) African Continental Free Trade Agreement

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Article: African Continental Free Trade Agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the African Union summit in Niger, Nigeria and Benin sign, and the African Continental Free Trade Agreement enters its operational phase. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, African Union, DW, CBC
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: This agreement is a pretty big event and we missed the ratification of the agreement in April/May. The operational phase of the agreement begins today. With today's signatures of Nigeria and Benin, the only African nation left out is Eritrea, who were the only African nation not part of the original negotiations. There are a few outstanding issues in the article--for example: I do not have the software necessary to update the map graphic to include Nigeria and Benin--so I'm also nominating this to bring some attention to it; hopefully some experienced editors can help out. Another significant issue that needs editor feedback is the proposed merger between the African Continental Free Trade Agreement and the African Continental Free Trade Area. NorthernFalcon (talk) 22:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup

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Articles: 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup (talk · history · tag) and 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, the United States wins the Women's World Cup, defeating Netherland 2–0 in the final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United States wins the 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup Final 2–0, as Megan Rapinoe takes the Golden Boot.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, the FIFA Women's World Cup concludes with the United States (Golden Boot winner Megan Rapinoe pictured) defeating the Netherlands in the final.
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Obviously still needs a match summary and removal from ongoing if posted. MSN12102001 (talk) 16:49, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Iran nuclear breach

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Articles: Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (talk · history · tag) and Nuclear program of Iran (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Iran announces an increase of uranium enrichment beyond the limit set in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Al Jazeera
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Although the first step (the limit on stockpile of low-enriched uranium) has not been nominated, this second step looks significant. Brandmeistertalk 12:42, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

-- Seems significant. If I recall it correctly Bolton said this will result in war. Oh well, it's been a few years since world powers began to prepare for an eventual world war anyway 5.44.170.9 (talk) 13:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Assume you mean a fission bomb. The notion that Iran would plunge into war with a comparatively small-yield A-bomb of the sort used 75 years ago, risking retaliatory thermonuclear obliteration, seems distinctly improbable to me. (Not that I harbor any admiration for the Iranian regime.) More likely, it's saber-rattling for the oppressed home market. – Sca (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If Iran wanted to attack another country, it already commands enough petroleum-based firepower to destroy far more than a single nuke could. Peaceful clean energy is where this increase matters, but even that could be spun into "Iran conserving oil to produce regular death to America". At the end of the day, winning the Gulf War at any cost is still about having more natural resources than the Axis does both during and after the Third World War. You can't warm dead rats' innards over a WMD, even when they do exist, and neither side of humanity is prepared to subsist on raw meat anymore (thanks a lot, Darwin). But yeah, the potential to build a nuke is still there, just not the ability or desire. Big whoop, as the Dutch might say. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's not about using the bomb, but more about having it as a nuclear deterrent, just like other openly nuclear states. And that is still significant, as no one really expects the usage of nukes in modern times. 3.67% is reportedly enough for civil usage, but not enough for the military. And Iran announced it would enrich further. Brandmeistertalk 07:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the Bushehr reactor needs 5% enriched. So further than 3.67% or 4.5%. A power plant is not a deterrent, and Iran has repeatedly denied seeking to build a bomb or enriching to near where that would even be remotely possible. Its existing tremendous military capacity has been a perfectly functional deterrent for 40 years now, during which time its archenemy has thousands of nukes (and its secondary enemies dozens). Why fix what isn't broken, especially if it would clearly provoke a nuclear superenemy? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:24, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And not to beat a long-dead horse or put too fine a point on it, but especially when that nuclear superpower happens to be the one which openly gloats about how extensively and effectively it fooled everyone during the (alleged) Manhattan Project, before reverse Pearl Harbouring (or "deterring") the Japanese so hard, they had to invent a new fictional monster just to express how much scarier this new world of terror was than a stop-motion ape dancing a Depression-era jig on a tower that doesn't even collapse. The actor who had to wear that suit to warn us all died. Granted, the first few times were urban legends and the last time was only a year back, but still. It's history worth remembering, as The History Guy might say. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is in the news and looks like it'll be in the news for quitex a while. Banedon (talk) 23:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:58, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose/Pull Completely expected, deal's already essentially broken, no apparent punishment beyond already increasing sanctions, nowhere near bomb production levels (by weight or enrichment). More a US election story than anything, and those turn over like weather reports. Waters down relatively important soccer report and would literally sooner have us forget actual atrocity and present danger in Libya. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • See also here. Count Iblis (talk) 03:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • "First, and most obviously (though it’s surprising how few news stories mention this up high, if at all), Iran was not the first country to breach the deal’s terms. In May 2018, President Donald Trump withdrew the U.S. from the deal, for no good reason other than he didn’t like it, despite the fact that international inspectors had repeatedly attested that the Iranians were in compliance with its terms. Then Trump not only re-imposed economic sanctions, which had been lifted with the signing of the deal, but also imposed “secondary sanctions” on any country that did business with Iran—even the five powers (Britain, France, Russia, China, Germany, along with the European Union) that had co-signed it."
    • "Second, even in its (quite delayed) response to Trump’s withdrawal, Iran did not violate the accord. Paragraph 36 of the JCPOA states that if one signatory of the pact believes that some others “were not meeting their commitments” under the deal, then, after certain meetings and consultations, it would have “grounds to cease performing its commitments.”"
    • "Third, Trump was in violation of the deal well before he withdrew from it. As far back as July 2017, at his first G-20 summit, Trump pressured allied leaders to stop doing business with Iran. This pressure was a direct violation of Paragraph 29 of the accord, which states that the U.S. and the other signatories:"will refrain from any policy specifically intended to directly and adversely affect the normalization of trade and economic relations with Iran inconsistent with the commitments not to undermine the successful implementation of the JCPOA.""
    • "Fourth, leveling secondary sanctions against other countries doing business with Iran is a violation of the spirit, and possibly the letter, of international law. It is permissible and even proper to punish countries or companies that violate sanctions imposed by, say, a U.N. Security Council resolution. But the JCPOA is a Security Council resolution—No. 2231—enshrined as international law in July 2015, around the same time the U.S. and the other five countries signed it as a multinational deal with Iran." Count Iblis (talk) 03:31, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Simpsons called it twice already, literally and the other way. Some leaders just aren't elected to read. But quotin' ain't votin', as the old story goes, so what's it all add up to, Count? Is this news we can use? InedibleHulk (talk) 04:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cameron Boyce

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Article: Cameron Boyce (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [33]
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 ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 09:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 6

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July 6, 2019 (2019-07-06) (Saturday)
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  • 23 people are injured in a gas explosion at a shopping mall in Plantation, Florida. (WPLG) (CNN)
  • At least 2 company employees are confirmed killed and two more are critically injured in an explosion at the industrial waste processing plant owned by Monotaro due to improper handling of spray cans. (nikkei.com)
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  • American billionaire Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and faces new charges related to alleged sex crimes involving minors. (ABC News)

(Closed) Jeffrey Epstein arrested

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Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 08:41, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jeffrey Epstein (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jeffrey Epstein is arrested for sex trafficking of minors (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is arrested again for sex trafficking
News source(s): [34]
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Nominator's comments: Although this is merely an arrest and not a conviction, Epstein has already been convicted before. Plus, this is a notable high-profile case with multiple world leaders allegedly involved. Merlinsorca 06:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sutopo Purwo Nugroho

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Article: Sutopo Purwo Nugroho (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN ABC (Australia) Guardian NY Times
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Article updated
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(Posted) RD: João Gilberto

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Article: João Gilberto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, BBC, Washington Post
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The "founder father" of Bossa Nova. A very important musician. The article has several issues, but I'll work on it. --SirEdimon (talk) 20:53, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ETA: And sadly a big chunk of it turned out to be copyvio. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's there yet, SirEdimon. It misses out the key bit, his role in developing bossa nova, and it's a bit choppy with the poor-quality material remaining from the original. Will try to do some work on it but my knowledge of all forms of popular music is as lacking as my Portuguese. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 5

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July 5, 2019 (2019-07-05) (Friday)
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(Posted) RD: John McCririck

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Article: John McCririck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News, BBC, The Daily Telegraph, The Irish Field
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 Mjroots (talk) 10:03, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawing formal oppose, as the sourcing is substantially improved; however a lot of the text still depends on a single interview or poor-quality primary sources. Sections also could do with copy editing and some pruning, especially his post-racing career. There was something about flies & honey, too. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:39, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
By all means point out the problematic single interviews or poor-quality primary sources. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
here (what is this?), here (maybe acceptable but it does not contain the information on "long discussion", OR), and here (BLP violation: citing court documents as source). Also SELFPUB not ABOUTSELF can be found here. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:46, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your very thorough appraisal. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 4

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July 4, 2019 (2019-07-04) (Thursday)
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  • Lightsource BP, a solar energy developer headquartered in London, has announced that it will acquire utility-scale solar projects in Brazil, 1.9 gigawatts of projects, for an undisclosed sum. This is a major expansion for Lightsource, which is 43% owned by the energy giant BP. (Reuters)

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RD: Eva Mozes Kor

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Article: Eva Mozes Kor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Eva Mozes Kor was a Holocaust Survivor who founded the CANDLES Holocaust Museum and Education Center for survivors who survived lab experiments in concentration camps. She also authored six books and a documentary she made helped locate 122 survivors who were tortured through the lab experiments under Dr. Joseph Mengele at Auschwitz. TenorTwelve (talk) 05:08, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Ridgecrest earthquakes

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No consensus to post. SpencerT•C 21:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 Ridgecrest earthquakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A magnitude 6.4 earthquake strikes Southern California, the largest since 1999. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A magnitude 6.4 earthquake with more than 159 foreshocks and aftershocks strikes Southern California.
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Largest earthquake to hit SoCal since 1999 - even without damage/death count yet this is still a significant event. Article does need updating and expansion. 2601:187:4501:5700:DA3:772A:F049:86AA (talk) 19:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you do that, I will oppose that proposal. pbp 22:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the updates I see, I will not be requesting a merge since it has some historical significance. INeedSupport :V 18:35, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the L.A. Times just says residents were "shaken," but that's hardly news – especially when we have scores dying in various hotspots around the world. – Sca (talk) 21:34, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Guardian says "no serious damage or injuries reported." – Sca (talk) 22:25, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A millennium sounds huge until you realize we're only 19 years into it. WaltCip (talk) 23:15, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even in the top 20 globally for this year so far... Is it so notable because it happened in America I wonder? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Moving to neutral pending details on the latest shake, reportedly a 7.1. Obviously this one is much stronger than the one from a couple days ago. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:29, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral / Comment Passes on quality, but there's an open question on notability. It's certainly nothing to scoff at that it had a magnitude of 6.4, peaked at tier VIII (severe) on the Modified Mercalli intensity scale, could be felt by more than 20 million people, and affected people as north as Sacramento, as east as Nevada, and as south as Baja California. That said, the meteorological notability is largely balanced (if not nullified) by the fact that it was, fortunately, relatively insignificant for those it affected. The worst of the earthquake happened in a desert, the injuries associated with it are limited, and there were no casualties. The resulting structural damage, fires, and power outages weren't insignificant, but they also weren't as major as the disasters we'd normally post. I see convincing and good-faith arguments for both supporting and opposing, but none of the facts have stood out enough for me to feel strongly either way. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 02:38, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I mainly opposed putting the event to ITN because it didn't really meet WP:NEVENT at that time, especially at WP:EFFECT. However, I do see that it did cause a change—which is an app is lowering the sensitivity of their earthquake detection. Still, there are no deaths so far. INeedSupport :V 03:51, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While it may not have been deadly, it's still a pretty major earthquake by US standards, and the news lately has been pretty slow. The article is also in good shape. Alex of Canada (talk) 03:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Wait for the Big One to flush it all away. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: A precedent for major California earthquakes on ITN was set about five years ago. The last major earthquake in California, a 6.0 magnitude earthquake in Napa in 2014, was rejected on ITN. That was also a tier VIII (severe) on the Modified Mercalli intensity scale, at least US$362 million in damage, and had one fatality and 200 injured -- more than this Ridgecrest one. Like then as it is now, if there are no significant levels of casualties than it is not worth it to put these types of California earthquakes on ITN. Zzyzx11 (talk) 10:14, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Oppose the criteria for earthquakes appearing on ITN is the significance of the impact, not the location or intensity. This was not a trivial event, but when there are no deaths, and the greatest structural damage seems to be that half a house burned down and all the other damage confined to a small, predominantly rural area it does not come close to ITN level imo. If this turns out to be a foreshock for something bigger and more significant then we can post that event on its own merits. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. No casualties, minor damage. There have been at least a dozen stronger earthquakes than this in the last 6 months (see List of earthquakes in 2019). None merited an ITN posting and some don't even have articles. Happening in California does not make a non-event significant enough for ITN. Modest Genius talk 10:38, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we don’t post disasters unless they caused a significant number of deaths, of which this falls to meet. 203.87.124.182 (talk) 11:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are many similar earthquakes with minor casualties in other highly seismic regions on a weekly basis that we don't regularly post. It might have garnered larger support had it been qualified as the "deadliest" or the "most disastrous" but the "largest earthquake in Southern California since 1999" is just a trivial record.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:43, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the article looks to be in good shape. -- Tavix (talk) 21:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Neutral OK, it happened on a major national holiday and it's the largest in a heavily-populated earthquake-prone region in 20 years. But ... no one was killed and, since the epicenter was way the hell out in the desert, not much property damage was done. So, better as a DYK. Daniel Case (talk) 21:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to neutral with news of the stronger aftershock. We'll see how it goes with this one. Daniel Case (talk) 04:52, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

7.1 aftershock

Comment: There was another major aftershock a minute ago. pbp 03:22, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Preliminary magnitude 7.1, felt substantially stronger than yesterday in LA. Will need a new nomination if desired. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:29, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest the blurb "Southern California is hit by earthquakes of magnitude 6.4 and 7.1". Will the 7.1 get its own article, or should we link to this article? pbp 03:34, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Should stay a single article due to rapid succession. They're all part of a singular event but the new one will be the primary. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:35, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I might tentatively support a renomination depending on how our picture of the event looks in a little while (and by the way, since this earthquake was larger, it is therefore the mainshock, and the 6.4 Mw  earthquake was a foreshock). The main USGS webpage for the event still refuses to load, so maybe wait for that first. Master of Time (talk) 04:50, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh boy the big one may come soon! INeedSupport :V 04:33, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yay, my city will be obliterated! Big whoop! pbp 15:45, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. I believe this is notable, especially with the many aftershocks. The article is good. Davey2116 (talk) 05:54, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A 6.4 and a 7.1 in Southern California is big news. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:57, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment again, no deaths, practically no damage. Why is is this notable, because it’s in the US? There have been plenty of bigger and deadlier quakes this year in other places. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:02, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not true, or in other words fake news. So far, this year, only one earthquake has been "bigger" - [2019_Peru_earthquake]. All nice to quickly post opinions and guesses, but fact checking doesnt take a lot of time. And at least on an encyclopedia we should stick to facts. 41.215.181.120 (talk) 14:15, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    a) I agree with 41 that if you're going to claim there have been "plenty" of magnitude 7.1 earthquakes that you need to provide evidence, and b) Would it be too much to ask to suspend your anti-American bias? pbp 15:45, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Please stop casting aspersions.--WaltCip (talk) 16:04, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm still opposed because there still no significant impact. As I said above, impact is what matters for earthquakes not just being the largest in an arbitrary area in an arbitrary length of time. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – The 6.4 has been followed by a 7.2 in the same area. Again, no fatalities or serious injuries, but scattered structure fires. Perhaps we should consider Ongoing? – Sca (talk) 13:52, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I still hold on to my previous reasoning that the impact is minor compared to many other earthquakes across the world. Whether it's 6.4 or 7.1 is just trivial.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. While there were no deaths, there was significant damage and many injuries, and 7+ magnitude earthquakes are certainly not a common thing in California. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 14:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support of a blurb of both major quakes. Nothing may (hopefully) happen, but with two major strikes, its hard to ignore as news. (Plus, we are in a drought of actual blurbs, and this at least would be something in the realm of what we'd normally post). --Masem (t) 14:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still opposing - I know there are a lot of people who think that Los Angeles and Southern California are the cradle of modern civilization, and thus anything that happens near that location is exponentially more noteworthy as a result, but let's be truly honest; these earthquakes have had no major impact beyond the magnitudes that they recorded.--WaltCip (talk) 16:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Seems notable enough. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 16:06, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest Close Barring some dramatic development, consensus to post this is not going to develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose It's sort of in the news, but other than being in California, I really don't see why; it doesn't seem terribly significant in terms of human impact or magnitude even just among earthquakes in 2019 or in California, which is, moreover, prime earthquake territory. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:44, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – On Friday when the tally was 14-5 against, I suggested closing this topic but ran into opposition. Since then, each side has gained four votes or so. It seems pretty obvious that no consensus to post will emerge unless the Earth moves violently enough to cause fatalities and significant damage, which I guess is always a possibility. But given present circumstances, and the length of this discussion (2,300 words), I agree it's time to close it. – Sca (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Chris Cline

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Article: Chris Cline (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 TompaDompa (talk) 07:17, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 3

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(Posted) RD: Jared Lorenzen

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Article: Jared Lorenzen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, NFL.com
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ex-NFL and top University of Kentucky quarterback. Early death at 38 after battling obesity-related health issues. CoatCheck (talk) 22:51, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Arte Johnson

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Stale, unimproved. Stephen 05:10, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Arte Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: US comedian credited for his work on Laugh-In. Unfortunately, article is woefully under-referenced. Masem (t) 21:15, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Guillermo Mordillo

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Stale, unimproved. Stephen 05:09, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Guillermo Mordillo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: World renowned Argentine cartoonist Tdunsky (talk) 05:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Tripoli migrant center airstrike

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Article: 2019 Tajoura migrant center airstrike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 53 people were killed and 130 were wounded in an airstrike of a migrant center outside Tripoli, Libya (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, NPR, UN News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Widespread coverage and condemnation, signicant amount of deaths. The UN Security Council held an emergency meeting to discuss the airstrike. Jamez42 (talk) 01:02, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 2

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(Closed) Ethiopian Jews protest in Israel

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Stale. Stephen 02:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: July 2019 Ethiopian Jews protest in Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shoot down of an unarmed Ethiopian teen by an Israeli officer embarks nationwide protests in Israel. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 110 police officers injured by the angry Ethiopian Israeli protesters after a youth homicide by an off-duty police
Alternative blurb II: ​ Death of young Ethiopian Jews starts a series of mass angry protests across the Israel that left more than 136 detentions
Alternative blurb III: ​ The angry Ethiopians protesters have held rally across Israel and left more than 110 police officer injured
Alternative blurb IV: ​ The rally of Ethiopian Jews left more than 110 police officer injuries across Israel
News source(s): BBC, Ynet, Haaretz
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I think this subject is a hot todays news from middle east and also the protest has continued for three days until now Forest90 (talk) 10:59, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I will oppose the blurb though. It's just part of the whole protest. Perhaps ITNR would be better suited for it. INeedSupport :V 00:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested some new blurbs. Forest90 (talk) 14:37, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I suggested new blurb and I'm trying to improve them. It's my first nomination for this section and I will try more. Thank you.Forest90 (talk) 14:33, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose on both notability and on quality. I'm mostly neutral on this. We'd need a better blurb before anything else, but to my understanding, the story is as follows: the protests were ignited by a homicide committed by the police, but the protests themselves didn't cause many injuries, and - thankfully - the clashes did not result in any casualties. Crucial details are missing: how many protesters were there? A peaceful protest with no casualties is perfectly notable if the protests were large in scale, but the article doesn't tell us that. The article only says how many people got stuck in traffic as a result of the protests, which isn't exactly a useful metric. The article, while not lacking in references, badly needs copyediting. A lot of the sentences (such as "The Ethiopian community has complained about racism in Israel for a long time and most of them have felt like if they are second-class citizens in the country." for example) aren't wrong, but could really benefit from being rewritten. The article's details don't sufficiently demonstrate notability, and the article's quality should be improved. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:50, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It's my first nomination and I had tried to do my best. I solved some issue that you mention in your comment including improving the Article grammar and its copy edit and its copyright problems. Also I suggested 4 new blurbs.Forest90 (talk) 14:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@BrendonTheWizard:, @The Rambling Man:, @INeedSupport:.Forest90 (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would support blurb IV, but I would replace "The" with "A" since they are other rallies before. INeedSupport :V 21:51, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Solar eclipse

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Article: Solar eclipse of July 2, 2019 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A total solar eclipse occurs in parts of the South Pacific and South America. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Fairly straightforward one this. ITNR and gets us an excuse to show a nice picture. LukeSurl t c 10:19, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lee Iacocca

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Article: Lee Iacocca (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [35], [36]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 01:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Purplebackpack89:Can you explain why you support it? INeedSupport :V 20:41, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Because I believe his death should be mentioned on the main page because he was an important man of commerce? pbp 21:22, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Purplebackpack89: Although notability of the subject is considered here, the article's quality is also considered. Due to the numerous unsourced information the article has—which I was not able to find any sources that supports the unsourced information—I have to give the oppose vote. INeedSupport :V 22:24, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, notability is not "considered" here, per the text in the template which has been there for probably two years or longer, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article, and any votes which attempt to circumvent that RFC-based approach are wasteful and pointless. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I still say support, though. pbp 23:34, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, in the face of one of the most fundamental policies of Wikipedia. Bravo. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is there some rule I missed where The Rambling Man is so much of a God on ITNC that he gets to vote twice? pbp 23:34, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He simply forgets he opposed, probably because of the two weird support votes for BLP violation to be featured on mainpage. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:23, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, struck. Voting to support a BLP violation to be on the main page is indeed truly weird. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:26, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Russian submarine Losharik

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Article: Russian submarine Losharik (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire aboard the Russian submarine Losharik kills 14 crew members (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A fire aboard the Russian Navy submarine Losharik kills 14 crew members
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Not much info at the moment, will keep an eye on this one - Dumelow (talk) 16:22, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now. Not enough material for a blurb. One paragraph of six sentences does not meet our customary standards for ITN. The incident does sound like a serious accident. But we generally require extensive coverage and prefer that events being nominated be independently notable with their own article. I am open to revisiting the nomination if there is enough expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the update is a bit short at present, hopefully more information will become available soon to allow expansion. Worth noting that the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news state: "The decision as to when an article is updated enough is subjective, but a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) is generally more than sufficient". If this is out of line with the "customary standards" then it needs to be replaced so as not to mislead newcomers - Dumelow (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are right. I think that part of the guideline needs clarification. I can't remember an event that did not have its own article and had only a single paragraph worth of coverage getting consensus for posting here, with the occasional exception of enormously important persons whose deaths are judged to warrant a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This one's very different to ARA San Juan (S-42), for example, perhaps because it's a Russian secret and because it didn't disappear. I'm surprised we have even got this amount of information. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:55, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not that it makes much difference but the crew of this spy submarine are not enlisted; they are all officers - the dead included seven captains and two heroes of the Russian Federation. The significance of this story is that it happened on a vessel used for some very secret work at great depth (it is capable of tapping underwater communications cables for example) - Dumelow (talk) 21:43, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ursula von der Leyen as European Commission President

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When confirmed/elected a new nomination can be opened. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:26, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Ursula von der Leyen (talk · history · tag) and European Commission President (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ursula von der Leyden nominated as the 1st women President of the European Commission (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC, NYT, Guardian, DW, AFP, dpa, Independent, POLITICO Europe
Credits:

Article updated
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For something that's meaningless it's getting a lot of prominent RS coverage. But as said, wait. – Sca (talk) 21:30, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose at least until the confirmation (these are not "elections" in layman's terms). Article is very good though, almost manicured. I sigh a little at the real paucity of leadership in the EU, though. I guess suffering the worst electoral defeat in 70 years won't stop you from becoming President so long as you're in the right clique and have the right idpol intersectionalities.91.153.84.73 (talk) 05:42, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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July 1

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  • France's interior minister, Christophe Castaner, has asked the Paris police chief to provide explanations about a video that went viral on social media, where law enforcement officers are seen spraying with pepper spray and dragging protesters from the Extinction Rebellion anti-climate change movement. Although the police needed to evict the protesters, who obstructed a transit route, the mechanisms that they used generated negative reactions. (The Guardian)

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(Posted) July 2019 Kabul attack

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Article: July 2019 Kabul attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five Taliban gunmen enter a Defense Ministry building and kill 40 people before being shot dead by security forces after they detonated a bomb-laden truck to gain access to the place. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ More than forty people are killed in attacks in Kabul.
News source(s): (New York Times) (Reuters)
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: I know terrorism is common in Afghanistan, the average is 12 people killed per day though it exceeded the limits this time. --LLcentury (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I accept your oppose but not your disrespect for my English. Regards. --LLcentury (talk) 21:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for letting me know! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:18, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Norman Geisler

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Article: Norman Geisler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Religion News Service
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks ready. 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:2C57:36BA:16CA:A0FD (talk) 06:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Having taken a look at the obituaries, Geisler seems notable, however that was not clear from the article. If someone is prepared to rewrite completely based wholly on obituaries and other independent coverage it could be reconsidered. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:37, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tyler Skaggs

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Article: Tyler Skaggs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks solid, with the exception of a few stray sentences that need sources. Nohomersryan (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How can someone dying at the age of 27 not qualify for a blurb? Those are extremely highly unusual circumstances.--WaltCip (talk) 01:09, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WaltCip, I think we need to wait to see the cause. Almost any health-related reason would be very unlikely, especially given that he was a professional baseball player. StudiesWorld (talk) 01:15, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He was a professional baseball player who spent a good portion of his career sitting out with multiple injuries and surgeries. When he did pitch, he lost more games than he won. When he died, he joined the quite common and evergrowing 27 Club. None of this indicates good health, excellence in his field or freakishness. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:18, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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